Wilson Die Question

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CHeetahman

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I have just started using wilson hand dies. This is probably a really stupid question but I am going to ask anyway. Do you need to lube the cases before sizing them in a Wislon NK die??
 
Depends

The general rule is, if you are using a hardenned steel bushing, a very thin film of your favorite lube should be used. If you are using a Carbide Bushing, no lube is required, although if you do, it probably won't hurt anything.......jackie
 
I use 0000 steel wool on my case necks to remove powder residue, and I don't wipe off the trace of oil that is left behind. I suppose that that gives some lubrication for steel bushings. I have also used Iosso to polish a rough bushing resulting in a better finish on the brass that it sized.
 
Did soething else wrong then

I used a carbide bushing three thou smaller then chamber, did not lube cases I in turn got the punch struck in the case and the neck pushed down into a bulge a the neck/shoulder junction:confused:
 
CHeetahman,

One little clarification, you need ONLY to worry about the neck. The body of the case doesn't get sized at all, nor the shoulder.

I've used this stuff >>>>> http://www.huntingtons.com/lubeaccessories.html <<<< before, and several other products like it. What it is is a little container of powdered graphite or moly or DanZak or whatever and you DIP the neck into it. Otherwise do as Jackie and Boyd suggested......and remember a LITTLE lube! Like the thinnest film of Imperial die wax or Tru-Kote die wax that you can apply with your finger.


hth


al
 
I understand that the neck only gets sized. Im trying to figure out what the hell happened. I was using new virgin brass to
 
Remove the 2 screws that hold the top on the die, remove the top and remove the bushing. Does case slide in and out of body of die at this point ???

Dick
 
If the carbide bushing is flipped so that the chamfer is turned the wrong way the case neck may be stopping on the end of the bushing instead of entering it.
 
Dick

The case slides in and out fine without top and bushing
 
Then it is definitely something to do with the bushing or case. You say you used virgin brass I assume you mean neck turned to the desired neck thickness ? What is size of your bushing and outside diameter of the case neck you are trying to stuff into it ?
 
Although it's unlikely, try pushing the knock out pin in a case before sizing to be sure it isn't oversize. Also, if you have the means, measure the case neck diameter before sizing then after sizing. You will need to have a smaller knock out pin to do this but you will be able to measure the case neck after sizing. Measure the neck diameter after it is sized to see if it's the diameter you want.
 
Neck wall thickness may be excessive. Measure the knockout pin and subtract that from the bushing hole. If the neck wall thickness times 2 is greater it won't fit...or something like that.

As soon as the neck is sized enough to pinch the knockout pin that's as far as the neck is gonna move. Any further effort inward simply collapses whatever is left to collapse.

As for the lube thing, it's a matter of choice. Clean and lubed necks will ensure that a bushing will last 10 lifetimes. Your loads will look nice and an air of professionalism surrounds the case block. On the other hand, dirty scratched up cases shoot just as well and in about 15 years you'll need to either buy a new bushing or turn your necks a half thou thicker.
 
Using Norma .22-250 brass. loaded round mics at .247 tried using a .243 bushing to get alittle more tension as i am soft seating the bullets. I think I may have gave it too many wacks with the plastic hammer. Thats all I can figure.
 
CHeetahman said:
Using Norma .22-250 brass. loaded round mics at .247 tried using a .243 bushing to get alittle more tension as i am soft seating the bullets. I think I may have gave it too many wacks with the plastic hammer. Thats all I can figure.
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Thats 4 thousandths you are trying to size down you had better have a good bevel on the case mouth to help it get started I think.
 
CHeetahman said:
Using Norma .22-250 brass. loaded round mics at .247 tried using a .243 bushing to get alittle more tension as i am soft seating the bullets. I think I may have gave it too many wacks with the plastic hammer. Thats all I can figure.
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What are you hitting with the plastic hammer?
 
change bushing

it sounds toooo tight......003" is a bunch....and you are goin 4!!!!....check the bushing ....is it one that has a bevel on one side only...???
For those that never seen this done ??!!! It is the most common way to "push" the ctg into the die for sizing...then the primer is knocked out and the case is extracted with the knockout punch using the same "hammer"...go to a shooting match and look around ....it is very common...used to be the only way to do it......Roger
 
I changed out to a .245 bushing and everything went smooth as silk. So I guess as some of you stated i was try'n to use to smaller bushing. Thanks for evryones help and advice:)
 
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