Why would a barrel need indexed

To boyd allen & alinwa - Nowhere did I say that firing pin fall, primer ignition, pressure rise, or bullet jump had no effect on accuracy. What I said was, these things had no significant effect on VIBRATIONS. The effect of these is through factors such as combustion, velocity, and bullet deformation, and this is what contributes to inaccuracy. It seems we've gotten to the point that every thing that happens at the target was caused by vibrations.
When it comes to the "pressure effect on vibration" I probably should have said that pressure ALONE will have no significant effect. It has to act through the bullet or through the bolt face.

To vibe - You said..Since there have been reports of (sometimes significant) changes I don't understand. What are the changes that prove pressure created significant vibrations? Also are you certain you know exactly where the center of gravity is in the parts of the rail gun moving in recoil, so that you can be sure all moments were eliminated?

To Tim in tx - You are confusing what you measure as outside barrel shape in a lathe as having any bearing on how the bore is shaped. You are also making assumptions that where thr bullet prints on the target tells you where the muzzle is in it's vibration cycle. Probably all that can be said about these assumptions is: they MIGHT be right.

To bob kingsbury - Point of impact will probably change as a barrel is moved in it's mounting. This is of no importance. What is important is how group size might change. Also, once you have altered a barrel so it can be indexed, you can't "refit back without the insert".
 
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To vibe - You said..Since there have been reports of (sometimes significant) changes I don't understand. What are the changes that prove pressure created significant vibrations? Also are you certain you know exactly where the center of gravity is in the parts of the rail gun moving in recoil, so that you can be sure all moments were eliminated?
The "center of gravity" is only important if the assembly is allowed to rotate about that point. Rail guns have the advantage of mass in that any movement in that regard is going to be a couple of orders of magnitude smaller than in the "hand held" versions. Any and all "muzzle jump" on such a massive set up is going to be due to barrel deflection, not recoil torque reaction. And the barrel deflection must, since the rest of the base will move so slowly (if at all) be due to pressure as almost all other factors are isolated out in the design.
 
posting links

good article, wish I knew how to link it


Jeff
Jeff, as how to post links without all that typing.

First, fire up two copies of your browser (one way-left click anywhere in the main body of a web page, then hold down the Ctrl key and hit the "n" (for New)). (Ctrl-n)

Next go to the Address bar at the top and left click once anywhere in the address you want to copy. This highlights the address.

Next, type Ctrl-c (for copy). You have now copied the link address.

Now, by clicking on the other browser tab at the bottom, just right of the Start button. This swaps you to the other copy of the web page.

Next, use that page to go wherever-like, say, to a benchrest.com thread.

Next, do your typing like you did when you made the post above.

Then at the spot on the post where you want to insert a link, single click that spot.

Then just type Ctrl-V (for paste) and whammo...you've done it.

http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=457618#post457618
http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=457618#post457618
http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=457618#post457618
http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=457618#post457618
http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=457618#post457618
see how easy it is?
 
Jerry --

Simpler then that ............... COPY and PASTE

- What ever you want to copy -->> R Click over it and select COPY
- What ever you want to paste -->> R Click and select PASTE


Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
 
Go to the page that you want to post a link to. Use your mouse to move the pointer onto the web address shown for that page at the top of the browser. Right click; choose copy; left click. In the message composition window (where you are composing your post), have the blinking cursor (where the next letter would apear if you were keyboarding)where you want the link to start. Put your pointer near the cursor; right click; choose paste; left click. Finish your post and post it. When you look at the post your link will be there.


http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek080.html
Sorry Boyd, I had missed your post above. You explained the link copy/paste much simpler that I did. Taught novices too many years I guess.
 
Jerry --

Simpler then that ............... COPY and PASTE

- What ever you want to copy -->> R Click over it and select COPY
- What ever you want to paste -->> R Click and select PASTE


Happy Shooting
Donovan Moran
You too Donovan.

The text to be copied must be highlighted first though.

Jeff may be pulling his hair out by now.
 
Pacil,
No I meant that the insert would be discarded and the barrel refitted in the normal fashion. What I asked was isn't there stresses in this threaded joint that have not been account for
 
pacecil

i am not making assumptions,nor am i regarding the outside of the barrel in any way,i am speaking of the interior of the barrel only,but to see what is happening you must center the bore at each end to see the true curvitures direction and distance off of centerline,shape etc.you can call me and i would be glad to tell you in person how to do it and you tell me what you see,as far as the bullet printing on paper ,this is the only thing we can judge specific angles of the barrel,there is no other way that i am aware of,the target is your graph of barrel movement,and corrisponds with varmant als data as well ,so if i have a bullet that hits high and it is 50 ,80,120fps slower what do you think could be drawn from that situation?there is only one, the barrel is pointed higher when the slow bullet exits.hence the barrel is on the upswing and not a downswing.i have done it at 100yds and 1000yds.have you ever done a ladder test?the theories are similar and they do work.the target is what i use as do many if not all shooters use to see the results of what they have done.i can assure you these are not just guesses these are tested and repeated and tested and repeated.and i realise i can certainly be wrong but data mounts everyday to prove these theories and we are almost there.i am sure gene could show as well .you need to come down to texas and i will certainly show you or anybody what i say.i think you might be surprised. tim in tx
 
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