What recourse do I have?

I ain't gettin' the drift.

"Yep, I'd say you are screwed, I hate to say you deserved it."

DR, please explain your statement to me, I don't think that I'm taking it the way that you mean it.

I may be reading it wrong, but;


If I con you out of money, is it your fault?

If I steal your TV, is it your fault?

If I steal your car, is it your fault?
 
It is just money

At this point I would look at it like this:

The man damaged your receiver and has made an honest effort to make it right. You have not even seen the rifle, much less shot it.

Let him know that you are concerned and what your concerns are.

When you get the rifle try it out. You might like it. If there are still problems that can be fixed and you think the guy is willing and able to fix them then talk to him.

Now I will tell you what I would do. If I get the gun back and don't like his work, yet I believe that he has done the best that he is able, I would pay his bill with out saying a word and put him on a never use or recommend list. Show the guy and yourself that you are better than he is. Life is short. We are, after all, just talking about money.:)

Gunsmithing may not be his line of work.

Concho Bill
 
Ffl

I guess my first red flag would have been that he was a gunsmith and didn't have an FFL. I thought that was a prerequisite? I think if you look on the ATF web site this is correct. If not I am not reading something correctly.
 
A little more to the story. I sent him these guns in September of 07 to be barreled and bedded. I guess I was mistaken in saying that he doesn't have an FFL, but he preferred that I send the stuff to his buddy because he wasn't always around to except shipments. I got thinking about that after Molly said something, and this guy works on enough guns that he had to have an FFL.
I got the CZ yesterday. He did a great job bedding the action, although it looks like he got release agent or bedding material on the stock and it stained the stock (I'll just have to refinish the stock next winter). He replaced my CZ 452 American with a 453 Varmint. The Varmint actually has a better stock for BR because the forearm is a little flatter. So that's a good thing. The trigger breaks very nicely at 10 oz. A little heavier than I would have preferred, but I'm not sure if I'm a good enough shooter for it to make much of difference. He told me last week that his buddy was polishing the barrel for me. Well, the barrel isn't polished at all. It has a very noticeable cross hatch in it, which is ok with me because I'm more concerned with how it shoots as apposed to looks. I just wonder why he told me it was being polished.
Some honesty from this smith would have gone a long way, and would have saved him a lot of money. I'll post pics and a range report when I can.
Thanks everyone!

And to add a little more. I'm more than happy with the price that I paid for my rifles and work I had done. For what I got, I got an awesome deal, I just didn't get what I wanted
 
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I understand your concern, Glad that you seem to think it has worked out. Just a bit of "cart before the horse" though. Please be aware that no matter what it is regarding repairs, modifications ect., Murphy is always peering over our shoulders and just to spice things up a bit more there is O'Tool's Law " Murphy was an optimist"
 
so lets see you got an awesome deal on a rifle you did not want. that does not sound like a deal to me at all.

"hey i got a great deal on this cheeseburger but when the waitress brought it out it was turd sandwich" oh well i got a good deal.
 
nemohunter said:
so lets see you got an awesome deal on a rifle you did not want. that does not sound like a deal to me at all.

"hey i got a great deal on this cheeseburger but when the waitress brought it out it was turd sandwich" oh well i got a good deal.
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Yeah, it would be like getting a Honda Goldwing for $10,000 but you really wanted a Harley. That's a hell of a deal on a Goldwing, but it isn't the Harley.:rolleyes:
 
Mooseyard said:
No, you don't have it right! The smith in question doesn't have an FFL, so it would be illegal for me to send it directly to him. I sent it to a friend of his who had an FFL and did transfers for him. He picked up the gun from his FFL (he didn't buy it from him) and did the work on it. And no, he never sold me another rifle. I'm not sure what post you read? He just didn't return the rifle that I sent to him, he returned a different one. Why do you think I deserve it? What the hell did I do wrong in this exchange? I sent a guy a rifle to work on in good faith, and you think I bent over and grabbed my ankles? Please explain?
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Mooseyard my friend, Why did you feel it necessary to'transfer'your rifle to anyone? Transfer's are for changes in ownership. That appears to be what you did. You transferred your 452 to the Smiths FFL now it's the FFL's The Smith had his problems and sold you a 453
through his FFL. It seems you paid the bill coming and going. Next time box up your rifle and send it to your smith, no transfer BS involved. After all it is a
'long gun'. Even the liberal Republic of Kalifornia only requires the services of an FFL when transferring 'ownership' of a long gun. I would be quite wary of any smith who does not have the business to warrant an FFL. Hey, it was your call and it turned out bad for you. Live and learn!

D R
 
D R Greysun said:
Mooseyard my friend, Why did you feel it necessary to'transfer'your rifle to anyone? Transfer's are for changes in ownership. That appears to be what you did. You transferred your 452 to the Smiths FFL now it's the FFL's The Smith had his problems and sold you a 453
through his FFL. It seems you paid the bill coming and going. Next time box up your rifle and send it to your smith, no transfer BS involved. After all it is a
'long gun'. Even the liberal Republic of Kalifornia only requires the services of an FFL when transferring 'ownership' of a long gun. I would be quite wary of any smith who does not have the business to warrant an FFL. Hey, it was your call and it turned out bad for you. Live and learn!

D R
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You really didn't read the post, and you are very ignorant of Federal Firearm laws. It would be illegal for me to just send a rifle to someone else in another state, and like I said the smith has an FFL but doesn't want guns shipped to his license. You don't understand the word transfer as far as FFl's are concerned.
 
As an individual you can ship your rifle to a gunsmith that has an FFL and he can ship back to you. This is even out of state.
Butch
 
Butch Lambert said:
As an individual you can ship your rifle to a gunsmith that has an FFL and he can ship back to you. This is even out of state.
Butch
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I'm NOT an individual. I'm a class 3 firearms dealer, and I like my license. If I send a rifle to anyone, I have to transfer it out of my bound book. He never sent me an FFL, so I had to send it to his friend. Therefore, I transfered it to his friend. There was no selling or buying.
 
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Mooseyard said:
I'm NOT an individual. I'm a class 3 firearms dealer, and I like my license. If I send a rifle to anyone, I have to transfer it out of my bound book. Butch never sent me an FFL, so I had to send it to his friend. Therefore, I transfered it to his friend. There was no selling or buying.
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If it is your personal rifle it should no longer be in your 'bound' book.

D R
 
Mooseyard said:
Butch never sent me an FFL, so I had to send it to his friend. Therefore, I transfered it to his friend. There was no selling or buying.
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So it was Butch huh? He better get a FFL as much free advertising as he gets on this forum. Someone will get PO'ed at him or big brother will notice this thread and he will have more than migraines.
 
D R Graysun:

Where did you get your quote about Butch. The quote you are referring to is directly above your post and I don't see any reference in the quote about anyones name..???

Your quote has been doctored...:rolleyes:

Dave
 
Dave S said:
D R Graysun:

Where did you get your quote about Butch. The quote you are referring to is directly above your post and I don't see any reference in the quote about anyones name..???

Your quote has been doctored...:rolleyes:

Dave
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Say what? You didn't see 'Butch' come off my keyboard until now. :confused:

'Butch Lambert' sighed his post:
Butch Lambert As an individual you can ship your rifle to a gunsmith that has an FFL and he can ship back to you. This is even out of state.
Butch
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Could this have confused you?

Oh Boy, Last edited by Mooseyard; Today at 02:29 AM. Guess where 'Butch' went!

D R
 
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D R Greysun said:
Say what? You didn't see 'Butch' come off my keyboard until now. :confused:

'Butch Lambert' sighed his post:

Could this have confused you?

Oh Boy, Last edited by Mooseyard; Today at 02:29 AM. Guess where 'Butch' went!

D R
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Mr. Greysun i to was confused and thought may you did edit your "quote". I probably owe you an appoligy. I think maybe
Mr moose made a mistake on his post by naming names, after you quoted his post he notice out of respect for the smith he needed to edit his post... not sure but maybe this is what happened.

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jGEE said:
Mr. Greysun i to was confused and thought may you did edit your "quote". I probably owe you an appoligy. I think maybe
Mr moose made a mistake on his post by naming names, after you quoted his post he notice out of respect for the smith he needed to edit his post... not sure but maybe this is what happened.

DRPOST.jpg


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Give that man a cupy doll!
 
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