What kappened to the boo hoo bill thread?

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jGEE said:
I did not buy the Calfee book when it was for sale here -still don't have it. I do have a question though - who can honestly say reading Bill's book moved them up in standing in the Rimfire world? thanks -joe :)
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That was a stupid quote.. Thats like saying, who can say that reading a book on gold mining made them rich.. Get Real..:rolleyes:

Dave
 
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I'm ashamed at many members recently. It seems you should voice your personal opinions and shut your mouth when it comes to personal attacks and isolating key individuals who clearly contribute and improve our sport as Mr. Calfee has done.
 
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Lynn said:
Jgi
Were did you get that avatar picture and what is it supposed to represent?

Martin
Can you tell us what Bill said in the book that was not correct? Page # would help as well.
Waterboy
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pages 210 thru 218 pure nonsense. pg. 90 conclusion. page 64,65mirage. pg85 pic of whacking a pipe pure nonsense. pg88 "based on my own work in developing a tuner the laws of physics will not allow a rifle barrel to be crowned at it's sweet spot". pg175 pic 3 with that pic then go to wally's forum and look at the rounds in the tray of tennessee stud project. beginning of book on pinning and then go to page 471 where he proves you only need one thread. my favorite is how he weighs a tuner from a thread hanging from the ceiling that is the most ridiculous of the entire book hallelujah a new form of gravity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Bill Wynne said:
Guys,

I just want to say that if you were to ask at random any number of shooters who post on this benchrest rimfire site to name three of the best rimfire gunsmiths in the world, Bill Calfee name would be at the top.

Show some respect for the man. He has earned it in spades.

Concho Bill
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Bill with all due respect to you, these guys are afraid and will not tell calfee when problems arise with his rifles. on oct. 9that ft.hand those of us in the second relay watched a shooter with a calfee rifle turn the tuner throughout the entire card. the guys sitting there named person after person with a calfee rifle do the same. oct 17 at fairchance the person next to me in the first match had to shelve his calfee rifle because of jamming. after the first target at least 6 shooters who owned calfee rifles said there's do the same as sometimes only a small amount of crud caused light strikes. sitting there talking about this not one person complained to calfee.
 
Does anyone really know why PS got rid of Calfee and he's no longer on the best BR Forun on the net.
S S
 
pg. 20 "I exaggerated the drawing" page 38 "I exaggerated views 1 and 2" exaggerate or make up it's like justice Potter Stewart said." I shall not today attempt further to define within that shorthand description and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so, but I know it when I see it"
 
Martin:

Well Martin, at least you respected Bill Calfee's writings and was interested enough in what he had to say, that you bought his book.. :D

Dave
 
martin hammond said:
Bill with all due respect to you, these guys are afraid and will not tell calfee when problems arise with his rifles. on oct. 9that ft.hand those of us in the second relay watched a shooter with a calfee rifle turn the tuner throughout the entire card. the guys sitting there named person after person with a calfee rifle do the same. oct 17 at fairchance the person next to me in the first match had to shelve his calfee rifle because of jamming. after the first target at least 6 shooters who owned calfee rifles said there's do the same as sometimes only a small amount of crud caused light strikes. sitting there talking about this not one person complained to calfee.
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Must be a PA thing. That would really be a shame if somebody was having a problem and would not tell Mr. Calfee. If there is an issue he has to know what's happening if he's going to fix it. Then again maybe it's the shooter. I've seen plenty of Calfee guns, and I've looked at the indentation created by the firing pin. It would take more than a little crud to cause a light strike. However, I have seen people grease Turbos like 40X's which is a no-no and will eventually cause a light strike. It takes a little while but eventually it will do it. Only thing to do then is disassemble the bolt and clean it. Generally it will go back to a heavy indent.

I don't know what Mr. Calfee charges for his services, but I've been told they are not on the low ball side. So, why would a shooter who paid him be afraid to say something? That's just idiotic. You sure you're not embellishing a little Martin?
 
justathought said:
Must be a PA thing. That would really be a shame if somebody was having a problem and would not tell Mr. Calfee. If there is an issue he has to know what's happening if he's going to fix it. Then again maybe it's the shooter. I've seen plenty of Calfee guns, and I've looked at the indentation created by the firing pin. It would take more than a little crud to cause a light strike. However, I have seen people grease Turbos like 40X's which is a no-no and will eventually cause a light strike. It takes a little while but eventually it will do it. Only thing to do then is disassemble the bolt and clean it. Generally it will go back to a heavy indent.

I don't know what Mr. Calfee charges for his services, but I've been told they are not on the low ball side. So, why would a shooter who paid him be afraid to say something? That's just idiotic. You sure you're not embellishing a little Martin?
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protect their investment?????????????
 
pg.91 "in fig. 1 I have exaggerated". pg 110 "in fig B I have exaggerated". pg 124 "figure 1 I exaggerated" p131 "I have really exaggerated" exaggerated made up why??????? I know it when I see it.
 
Jgee
My apologies on your avatar.I thought you were poking fun at the Geico caveman commercial or something and I wasn't getting it.

Martin
I will start at square one with you.
Pages 210 to 218 show how a rifle barrel vibrates and they match exactly the models of barrels vibrating found anywhere else on the internet.
If you have a specific point you need help with ask it and I'll help you better understand what Bill is trying to tell you.
As to the conclusion on page 90 Bill is letting us know he will write another article for Precision Shooting magazine about were he crowns his barrels.You honestly have a problem with that?
Page 85 is a picture of a steel rod in a vice being struck by what appears to be a Stanley 20 ounce claw hammer.He is showing how a wave looks in a steel rod and is 100% spot on correct.You can do that test in your garage Martin so I don't see why you are wasting bandwidth here.
As to the crown once again Bill is spot on correct.Bill puts his crowns were he wants them and he wants the muzzle of the barrel very close to a anti-node.
You are not knowledgable enough in how steel vibrates to make the claims you are making.If you go to Varmint Al's website you will see the only difference between Al and Bill is one of terminology.Al has the terminology down pat and Bill describes what he is seeing using his own words.
I did find it funny you didn't mention the 54 barrels on page 89 were he shows why he crowns them were he crowns them.Maybe you have a picture of your empirical data with the 55 barrels you have tested?
As to your statement in your other post about Calfee shooters twisting there tuners that is probaly correct.I am positive if I was to buy a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport and let 40 people drive it half of them would wreck it without ever going 268 mph.I also imagine half of therm won't close the door correctly or slam it to hard.Point being once a gun is out of Bills hands he has no control over its maintenance.
Waterboy
 
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martin hammond said:
pg.91 "in fig. 1 I have exaggerated". pg 110 "in fig B I have exaggerated". pg 124 "figure 1 I exaggerated" p131 "I have really exaggerated" exaggerated made up why??????? I know it when I see it.
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Martin,

As much as I would like to believe you're that dumb, I know you're not. Exaggeratioin, taking things to extremes, etc. is one of the best teaching and illustration tools in the world. I don't have the book but I am a long time PS subscriber and I've read Calfee's articles. He's not being like Jimmy Swaggert and saying "forgive me for I have exaggerated". He's saying and I think he makes it clear that he is exaggerating picutures for the purpose of illustrationg. Go find any book with difficult concepts and you will see many pictures that say "exaggerated right side for illustration purposes", "position not correct for illustration purposes", "certain items enlarged for illustration purposes". Those are not made up by the way, I just picked up three books on various subjects and easily found these. It's simply to allow grasping a concept easier. Don't make something sound like a falsehood when it is totally disclosed.
 
if you were coming home from livonia and a indiana state trooper stopped you," said wally here's a ticket you were going 70 in a 55 but I'm going to exaggerate that to 85 just to make a point". I'm assuming you would be real happy with that.
 
That's tangible and not for illustration purposes. Let's say the ticket had some sort of wild A formula for figuring what you owe and they make you figure it out. I tell the trooper I don't know what to pay, so he says "Well, let's say that you were going 1000 mph over the limit the ticket would be $1000, so regardless the Wild A forumula it's $1 per mph over, then it would be easy.

You're really losing credibility by trying to make it sound like Bill is playing the Jimmy Swaggert tune, when he is using exaggerated drawings to illustrate a concept. It's one of the most tried and true principles of teaching and is even taught to future educators. If I were you, I would let that one go.
 
justathought said:
That's tangible and not for illustration purposes. Let's say the ticket had some sort of wild A formula for figuring what you owe and they make you figure it out. I tell the trooper I don't know what to pay, so he says "Well, let's say that you were going 1000 mph over the limit the ticket would be $1000, so regardless the Wild A formula it's $1 per mph over, then it would be easy.

You're really losing credibility by trying to make it sound like Bill is playing the Jimmy Swaggart tune, when he is using exaggerated drawings to illustrate a concept. It's one of the most tried and true principles of teaching and is even taught to future educators. If I were you, I would let that one go.
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there is a big difference from exaggerating to make matters worse or to prove your preconcieved notion of how things should work. or how you want a certain test to turn out fudging, exagerating, making up stuff such as trying to say a hammer on a steel pipe simulates a barrel is all made up alice in wonderland stuff and you know it.it has nothing to do with drawing an oversize illustration. don't confuse what was done.
 
wally, how does Bill Calfee know the 40x actions were heat treated a certain way? not even the armorers at remington new as the 40x actions were manufactured off site. their entire operation was kept under wraps. Bill only guessed just like guessing and surmising where he wanted a certain outcome and the reason?????? so Bill Calfee could be right and he didn't care about embellishing or exaggerating. to him winning isn't everything it is the only thing.
 
Martin
I don't come here to debate nonsense I come here looking for advancement.You should jump off your soap box long enough to visit Varmint Al's website.In his website Varmint Al routinely shows how many times a wavweshape has been exaggerated so it can clearly be seen by the human eye.
Your insistance that this is some conspiracy or guess is not coming from a stable mind but one full of angst and resentment over your own shortcomings.

Even Jgee knows your wrong as he has looked at Varmint Al's thread for years now and finaly he understands what is actually happening.Ask him if Varmint al is exaggerating.
Waterboy
 
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