What can be used for BR 25m in the HV class?

[Bill Collaros]

Bill,

Following up on Rick's response, it is my recollection that we did away with the HV Class A (15fpe) but kept the HV Class B (20fpe), along with the LV Class as written. Please let us know, because if it's the Class A that prevailed there is a whole country of shooters here in the U.S. that have it wrong.

Thanks

Dave

Morning Gents. Yes the above is correct and current i inadvertantley copied the old HV A HV B, the new HV is only one power 20, apologies for the confusion, ther are listed clearly here

http://www.wrabf.com/WRABF Rules.htm

LV 12ftlb & HV 20ftlb

Now can the US guys assist with his question re .22 or .177 and HV etc...

 

[Bill Collaros]

I just pulled up the WRABF 2013 rules (http://www.wrabf.com/rules/WRABF & ERABSF Rimfire RULEBOOK 2012-2013.pdf) and it states:

"27.12 Joules or 20 Ft/lbs maximum power" for HV class. Page 8 of the rules. I cannot find any reference to 15 ft/lbs for any class. The rules do state that the rifle for HV cannot weigh more than 15 lbs. Maybe this is where the confusion is coming from.

Further, in Section E8.9 (section that discusses Air Rifle Power Checks) it details checking of power for compliance with the 12 ft/lb limit and the 20 ft/lb limit. There is no provision for a 15 ft/lb power level.

Yes my apologies late night pulling facts i guess, i somehow copied the old HV A & HV B which is also now void, you are correct the currect is LV 12 and HV 20.

 

[Ammion]

Light Varmint - 10.5 lbs weight restriction and 12 ft/lbs maximum power
Heavy Varmint - 15 lbs weight restriction and 20 ft/lbs maximum power

 

[Ammion]

Presently, I don't have a HV rifle (WRABF / ERABSF rules), only a LV rifle. However, if I know myself I will buy myself a HV rifle as soon as I can, if only I can get enough cash, and when that day comes, I want to be ready with some solid tips for what to look for. Everything that works with great results are of interest.

So just go ahead and drown me in tips, and I'll be happy.

If you can afford a dedicated HV rifle - you won't regret it! I'll buy a regulated Theoben or TM1000 (any cal). Most European shooters use .177 cal at 20fpe, most US shooters use .22 cal at 20fpe and most African shooters use .20 cal at 20fpe.

 

[Ammion]

We just had our National Championship on the weekend - 48 entries. The top 7 positions in Heavy Varmint class all had dedicated 20fpe rifles.
1.) Niekie van Dyk - Theoben MFR .20
2.) Billy Chamberlain - TM1000 .20
3.) Mario Coetzer - TM1000 .20
4.) Gert Coetzer - TM1000 .20
5.) Johan vd Linde - TM1000 .20
6.) Eugene du Plessis - Steyr .20
7.) Paul van Gass - TM1000 .20

 

[Brian_K]

We just had our National Championship on the weekend - 48 entries. The top 7 positions in Heavy Varmint class all had dedicated 20fpe rifles.
1.) Niekie van Dyk - Theoben MFR .20
2.) Billy Chamberlain - TM1000 .20
3.) Mario Coetzer - TM1000 .20
4.) Gert Coetzer - TM1000 .20
5.) Johan vd Linde - TM1000 .20
6.) Eugene du Plessis - Steyr .20
7.) Paul van Gass - TM1000 .20

OooooW that's good news Paul, I have one of each (well, one stuck in UK Customs, but hopefully here later this week)

Brian

 

[buggsson]

Ha, ha ha.........now I am even more confused because now the .20 got into play as well.

I understand that all of these three calibers shoot well, otherwise no one would use them. What I would like to know, why choose a .177 over a .22 and wise versa? There must exist some solid theory behind it all, or? I want to understand the basics of my choice when I finally make my final decision later on.

 

[Renegade]

Buggson,
Some of us feel the heavier .22 pellet bucks the wind better, while the .177 guys theorize that getting the pellet to the target faster means it won't have to spend as much time influenced by the wind. Many of us here in the US are using .22 rimfire barrels on our air rifles, as there are several manufacturers that make match grade barrels. The selection of .177 barrels is much more limited. I hadn't thought much about .20. I've been told the pellet selection is more limited for that caliber, but Paul and the guys seem to have found some good ones!!
Hope this helps,
Todd

 

[Finnshooter]

All three calibers are lousy shooters in the wind but if You have a .22 cal and occasionally would hit the ten ring You can see it by yourself through the scope and start planning the celebration for that hit. The others have to wait for the plugged result and they will miss valuable time at the bar. If and when they arrive they will find the .22 shooters already asleep and have to spend the night alone. Thats all the reason You need to choose Your caliber

 

[Brian_K]

All three calibers are lousy shooters in the wind but if You have a .22 cal and occasionally would hit the ten ring You can see it by yourself through the scope and start planning the celebration for that hit. The others have to wait for the plugged result and they will miss valuable time at the bar. If and when they arrive they will find the .22 shooters already asleep and have to spend the night alone. Thats all the reason You need to choose Your caliber

Good solid advice about drinking and how to make the most of it as usual Jens

Stay away from this guy in Plzen Todd !!!

Brian

 

[Renegade]

All three calibers are lousy shooters in the wind but if You have a .22 cal and occasionally would hit the ten ring You can see it by yourself through the scope and start planning the celebration for that hit. The others have to wait for the plugged result and they will miss valuable time at the bar. If and when they arrive they will find the .22 shooters already asleep and have to spend the night alone. Thats all the reason You need to choose Your caliber

I like that answer better! I will try to stay awake at the bar while waiting for the little pellet shooters I'm arriving at Plzen two days before practice even starts so I'm hoping to have more time to socialize than I did at the last Worlds. From the sounds of it, I missed out on a lot by staying at a different hotel than everyone else last time!
Is it August yet??
Todd

 

[Bill Collaros]

Todd most of Team Aus will be there a day before practise, so you have time to find all the good places and show us when we arrive.

Yes at these types of events a lot of the fun is back @ the Hotel and surrounds

 

[Tone]

If you can afford a dedicated HV rifle - you won't regret it! I'll buy a regulated Theoben or TM1000 (any cal). Most European shooters use .177 cal at 20fpe, most US shooters use .22 cal at 20fpe and most African shooters use .20 cal at 20fpe.

Hi Ammion

How much of a disadvantage is 12ft/lb over 20ft/lb outside in the wind I wonder, have you guys in Africa ever done some tests. In the UK all the Air Rifle comps are shot with 12ft/lb so it negates the need to try any other permutations?

We know that 12ft/lb can be just as accurate as the higher power rifles over 25yrds inside, not sure about outside.

The ballistic coefficient is the most important thing as I understand it, and a .177 pellet will become more unstable at higher power. Thats why most people move to .20 and .22 when shooting at 20ft/lb.

I think the disadvantage would be massive if you were shooting with .177 12ft/lb against .20 or .22 at 20ft/lb over 50m. But at 25m I'm not so sure it will make too much difference. What do you think?

Tony

 

[Ammion]

Hi Ammion

How much of a disadvantage is 12ft/lb over 20ft/lb outside in the wind I wonder, have you guys in Africa ever done some tests. In the UK all the Air Rifle comps are shot with 12ft/lb so it negates the need to try any other permutations?

We know that 12ft/lb can be just as accurate as the higher power rifles over 25yrds inside, not sure about outside.

The ballistic coefficient is the most important thing as I understand it, and a .177 pellet will become more unstable at higher power. Thats why most people move to .20 and .22 when shooting at 20ft/lb.

I think the disadvantage would be massive if you were shooting with .177 12ft/lb against .20 or .22 at 20ft/lb over 50m. But at 25m I'm not so sure it will make too much difference. What do you think?

Tony

No real disadvantage when conditions are perfect or good, BUT when you have average to strong wind the disadvantage would be much bigger - even at 25m.