What am I missing?

OUCH!! Lynn! :D


The G. Borden box is a box of brass from my "Green Borden" that had been resized to fit "Big Red". I had a local barrel fitted to a proven Borden HV by a local gunsmith and it was headspaced 11thousandths longer than the virgin cases. I spent (wasted) two days setting up for this match by trying to get the barrel to shoot........


"Big Red" is a Remington test mule, unsleeved and mildly modified with lapped lugs and some minor truing.


HERE >>> http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos4683/6/3/68/12/93/9/993126803605_0_ALB.jpg

and HERE >>> http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos4683/6/3/38/21/1/9/901213803605_0_ALB.jpg

And HERE >>> http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos4683/6/3/38/13/89/1/189133803605_0_ALB.jpg

Are the guns that YOU will be up against when we finally meet :p You shoulda' made it to this Portland match cuz it ain't NEVER gonna' be that easy again :D:D:D they don't look like much NOW from just the butt-end, but whoaaahhh dawgeeee these boys is gonna' SHOOT, even wi'DOUT tuners.


I've been milling out the butts to make the Green Borden into a 17lb class gun and the red and white one will be my first Heavy.


I'm waiting for my barrel to get back for the green gun so's I can weight it and balance it. The butt weight is built but I'm sure I;ll have to trim it back some once I get the barrel and scope on. I've burnt up two cutoff saws so far making the inch-thick steel buttplate for the red and white Heavy gun. Bill Shehane offered to make me a buttplate from SS and I thought I could do it cheaper. I shoulda' tooken Billy up on his offer! :eek:



It was perty goofy going to a match with 5 different boxes of different brass and notes and codes and a "plan" but hey, I had a ball and didn't DQ ;) And I learned a bunch.


Next time out I plan to COMPETE! I just got in 200rds of new 6BR brass and when I culled through it it all passed muster, GREAT looking brass. I'll be hitting the slopes with 75 rds/gun, GOOD rounds.


I met some great guys.


missed ya' :p


al
 

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Monte, are you in jail somewhere???


:D


Actually I dunno...... my Beauteous Better Half just loads 'em up onto Kodak EZ Share and I goes and gets 'em.... they're still working for me :(

al
 
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Thats what I'm getting.

Al, if she logged in, uploaded the pics, and then you access them from the same computer... then you'd still be logged in, have the right access permissions, etc. Might be she needs to set up the permissions to 'share' them to the rest of the world.

Anybody else out there having problems seeing these pics, or is it just me?

I kind of would like to see 'em, as I have a 6 Dasher sitting here I need to get rolling on forming the brass, etc.


Monte
 
I couldn't get the purdee pictures to come up either..

...But then my wife tells me I'm computer illegitimate anyhoo :eek::eek::eek:
 
Lynn???

Wilbur???

Anybody else??


Are the pix available?

I'm guessing Lynn clikked through OK or else he's just GUESSING I suck!

LOL


al
 
Alinwa

Al I could only see the pictures in your first post with them but none with your guns.I can see your bright green gun wrapped in cellophane in the post above.

On the brass with the false shoulders are you doing this with allof your brass or just brass with large amounts of shoulder movement and if so how much?
Lynn
 
Lynn,


I did these this way ONLY because I had a fairly fresh barrel that had been chambered with too much headspace. I chose this barrel only because all of my comp guns were torn down, I had to make up some brass which would shoot reasonably well in another rifle. The rifle that I chose was a good varminter with a 6.5X20 that I knew would make 600yds because I'd shot it out to 1000 before.


al
 
Al,

The attachment works... I see a gun painted like a fishing lure - bright green with metallic sparklies ;)

Monte
 
Alinwa

Al I was just pulling your chain on the targets as I am nable to get those little smiley things to show up on my posts.
Here is a guideline however so you can be ready for The NBRSA 600 Yard Nationals in one month.

To beat "The Pumpkins" single heavygun target you will need 3 quarters to touch all of your shots and each other.

To beat Robert(Bob)Hoppes single lightgun target all five shots need to fit underneath a dime.

My heavygun has shot a 0.095 5 shot group at 100 and my lightgun has shot sub 1 inch at 600 twice but when Ed Eckhoff says lets go shooting boys you better have your ducks in a row.

I would have liked to make that shoot if for nothing else than to test the new tuner out but we thought we wouldn't make the range until 6AM after an 11 hour drive and be greeted by rain.

We will be at The Nationals April 24 25 26 and 27th so if you can make the drive please do so.
Lynn
 
Well, I went back last night and reattached everything the old fashined "bottom of the post" way so y'all can at least make sense of the posts if interested.


Monte??? Didja' get the pix of the ones with the stepped shoulders that started this all???




al
 
I was all excited this morning when I saw all responses to my post, but I see that it has taken on a life all of it's own and wasn't much help!! :confused:

So, I have pulled all of the bullets. I ordered an expander button, but in the mean time I am trying a 25-06 die to expand the necks. Now, I only did 10 of them, but they don't look to good. 7 of the 10 now have a "wobble" in the necks when I roll them across a table.....3 look good.

Will they straighten out when I step them back down. I have my doubts, since I will only be necking them part way down. Maybe wait for the expander button to show up and run them through that again???

My inexperience with wildcats is rearing it's ugly head. Please bear with me on the dumb questions.:eek: :eek:

Thanks,
TOD
 
Tod,
I briefly looked through these posts. 2"-3" with a semi-custom rifle isn't good. Even if your sizing and forming issues are corrected in my experience that isn't worth 2-3" at 100yds. I have a suspision that something else is wrong.

Double check your neck clearance and double check the twist of the barrel. If your previous bullet holes don't look right it's possible the wrong twist barrel was installed. You already checked the scope/rings. That was my first thought also. But 2"-3" groups for your rifle just rings of something mechanically wrong. Maybe not but it's worth checking.

FYI: I've lubed my fireforming cases with Imperial Sizing wax for years. I agree that seating into the lands doesn't hold the case back, but I have seen proof that lubing the cases does help them setback and form properly. This was on a 338 Yogi to where the shoulder of a 338 Lapua Mag is blown forward approx .050" and some taper blown out. It would take several paragraphs to describe the situation but there was 10 cases out of a batch of 100 that I forgot to lube up. Guess what 10 cases almost all of my case failures came from for that batch of 100 cases? The rest of the 90 cases only had 1 case failure in 20+ loadings. I still have that brass ready to be fired.
I've used this method on 300 H&H necked down to 6.5 and blown out to 6.5-300 SSH, All Ackley chamberings, 30 BooBoo, etc etc with good success. All in custom chambers in BR qulaity rifles.

Good luck with your Dasher.

Steve
 
Tod Soeby

Tod you need to get a clean 5 gallon bucket and put the 25-06 die in the bottom of it.You then fill it with clean tap water and put it in your freezer so you can't use it for atleast 2 months.Just kidding.

When your Expandiron shows up put a little Imperial sizing die wax on it and expand all of your case necks with it.Al or somebody else will probaly tell you how much you can neck down at a time.On the bigger cases you can't go more than 0.004 at a time because the bushings don't have enough radius on them and you'll collapse some of them.A good chamfr helps as well.
Lynn
 
Tod,


They will straighten up when you shoot them. It's impossible to expand something up and maintain concentricity. The reason is simple, when expanding up the weaker (thinner) side will always move first and most. Picture a donut or a ring made of modeling clay or silly putty, roll it over a mandrel or shove a tapered stick thru it......see what I mean? ONLY the skinny side stretches.


When bulk expansion movement of necks is needed it's best to fireform them out. This is simply an inertia thing, the neck pops out so hard and fast that it better maintains it's dimensional integrity due to not being able to get out of its own way.


Don't try to use bushing dies to size the necks back down. Necking back down requires a one piece die. Just a cheap old resizing die. Avoid necking up and down more than once as brass work hardens rapidly and once it's hardened you're done with unless you anneal which is a whole nuther can of worms.


Just ignore the wobblies and shoot them, the rifle makes or breaks the cases in the first firing. After that you have to work to maintain them.


al
 
Steve Shelp said:
FYI: I've lubed my fireforming cases with Imperial Sizing wax for years. I agree that seating into the lands doesn't hold the case back, but I have seen proof that lubing the cases does help them setback and form properly.
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I lube too, but with water-soluable case lube. Much easier to clean out of the chamber, and contrary to a lot of advertising, a better lube. Lubing cases to be fireformed solves several problems. Lube the whole case, except for the neck. A tiny amount is all you need. BTW, you do not need 60,000+ psi to fireform a case, 45,000 psi is enough. Done that way, I've never encountered a safety issue with lubed cases.

FWIW
 
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