Voluntary gun searches, a good idea or another gun grab ploy?

This is what happens when the family unit breaks down, religion is pushed to the wayside, and corporal punishment is considered inhumane.

The only role government hasn't assumed is that of God. But I'm sure they're working on it.:eek:
 
pendennis said:
Trust? The word didn't appear in my dictionary when we raised our kids. When they got to driving age, the rule was no booze, no matter what. The punishment was total permanent ban from driving family cars.

Best,
Dennis
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NO SECOND CHANCE! That program works but must be put in place very early in the child's life. That is the rule in a number of countries on drinking and driving. And it works.......
Biggest problem is that Mama can't be that mean to the lil' darlins' and Dad is often long gone, or has limited part-time influence.
I told my son that if he really embarrassed us with stupid behavior, I would move away and not tell him where I went. He must have believed me.......
That really freaks Psychologists out. "Oh dear, fear of parental abandonment is too cruel, etc". I'm not a Psychologist so I could do it.
 
Man, I caused my Dad a lot of grief...

....we just snuck out and crossed the border for our booze. Lucky to be alive. I think high school sports saved me from being a complete idiot.

No way will my kids get away with it...that place is much more scary than it was 20-25 years ago.

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So that's what caused it....

I never played high school sports...dammit!

BTW - At what age does one become eligible for the second amendment?
 
I lol...I think

Wilbur said:
I never played high school sports...dammit!

BTW - At what age does one become eligible for the second amendment?
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The love for competition (and hunting I should add) kept my feet on a path that otherwise could have been ugly. This is a strange place down here. Remember, for me dope was 10x less expensive than the booze too!! I had a lot of fun in Mexico but did get to spend one night in jail...wasn't my fault. Soo glad the coaches never found out!!


anyway...not sure about your eligible question. I always had a scatter gun in the back of the Bronco in case there was a chance to go shoot some doves. Dad knew it and we even hooked up. Football usually over lapped the season but we got out early every now & then and had to be ready. Even then, I would rather go hunting than a chance to party. Not sure what would have happened 20 years ago if the school had known about the 20ga on campuss??

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Paul

I think you took that the way I meant it...as in I may be the idiot I am cause I didn't participate in HS sports...
 
Yep...that's why I LOL

Wilbur said:
I think you took that the way I meant it...as in I may be the idiot I am cause I didn't participate in HS sports...
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I've been here long enough to catch your humor. Remember....it was 'total idiot' in my case:)

We had "no pass, no play" policy, so I stayed away from the tough courses and coasted through my HS education.

Actually, I wish I hadn't played football the way my body feels today & fortunate to have gotten injured before I played a down of college & quit both the sport I loved and a chance to get a degree. Just dumb decisions looking back.

Who is the idiot now??:)

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At a very, very early age, my kids were taught, and re-taught the relationship between responsibility and previledges. And in my house, most everything except minimum food and clothing was a priviledge.
And so, by the time the kids reached driving age, getting good grades and doing chores without nagging was a given. Then you add a set of car keys and you (the parent) have some real power.

Also, I made no bones about the fact that I might search my kids room at any time. :D
 
Skipped right to the bottom....

I've noticed a lot of threads begin by responding to the matter at hand, then drift further and further off topic until a topic such as this one turns into a series of arguments over the best baked bean recipes...

If I recall during the Clinton administration a similar "voluntary" search for firearms was proposed. If I recall there was a huge constitutional stink about it, something about your not being able to voluntarily surrender your constitutional rights. I don't recall the details beyond that, but do remember that portion. Beware the slippery slope...
 
Bill Wynne said:
Taking unregistered alley sweepers and Saturday night specials and zip guns from the homes of underaged high risk kids is a good thing. I cannot find a downside here. I wouldn't want my wife to call the police about my 40X or my hunting rifles.

Concho Bill
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The thing that scares me most sometimes is hearing this sort of rhetoric from committed and dedicated gun people!!!


WHAT EXACTLY does this mean Bill??

What's an "unregistered alley sweeper"? Or conversely what's a registered alley sweeper?

What's a "Saturday Night Special"??

What's a "Zip Gun"????? How many are out there?


I'm a gunsmith, I've built guns from the ground up. I've built set guns, trap guns, pen guns, buckle guns......... who builds zip guns? Where do the kids GET this sort of stuff?



In other words....... why the negative appellation? THIS IS MEDIA HYPE! This is the sort of verbiage that makes rules SOUND good. IMO these "underaged high risk kids" are just KIDS, just plain ol' kids like every body else except they're missing the stability of a cohesive family. They're sometimes threatened by the society around them and some of them do respond by acquiring guns....... GUNS, not "alley sweepers" or "zip guns". My belief is that solid and consistent application of existing law is what's needed, not some new invasion of privacy in the name of "security" and "doing whatever it takes".......



"doing whatever it takes"........... what BUNK!



IMO MOST of society mouths platitudes like "If It Saves ONE Life It's Worth It"....... "If it helps ONE child it's worth any cost"..........




This is pure liberal feel-good garbage.


In the real world everything is a matter of risk assessment and cost of human life. Actuary tables chart this for the insurance companies. In the real world the cost of insuring automobiles is driven by death and injury/dollar. Driving on our roads is more dangerous than being in the war in Iraq for crying out loud! "We did what it took to make everybody safe" is only a utopian CONCEPT, it's in no way an achievable reality........... The cost of building bridges, dams, office buildings, homes, cars, ANYthing factors in loss of life.


Gener'ly rules which are designed to "save lives" don't IME and creating another government funded program in the name of "making kids safer" is just a money pit.



Ok.... I'l stop now.


rant OFF :):)


I'm probably breaking all the rules about "political topics" anyway..


Let's just say, I DO see a downside. :(






I better get outta' here and go talk about shooting.


LOL


al
 
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