USA Scoreline Rules

Fred,

This is a benchrest organization and we have rifle classes where front rests and one piece rests are allowed.

This is also a benchrest organization attempting to recruit new shooters, so in the entry level classes, we do not allow mechanical front rests in order to keep the initial expenses to a minimum.

Sorry I posted all those "what ifs".
 
Chris,

I can agree with the some of the flaws in my simple solution to the best format for a entry, basic class we call Production from your original rules during the first half.

One of the other Bench Rest groups where I often compete USBR, has a very simple division of the classes. Using this one line statement PCP Class (Air Rifle over 600-fps with out reg.) they also did not deal with the famous USFT rifle as it was probably not available when the rules were written. "costing less than $1000.00 " added to that line would solve that problem. There is no mention of any other equipment that the shooter would bring to the line. Though the existing score line rules were specific in this and other equipment scope, rest etc modifications ect. During the first half it was left to the Club Match Director what exceptions to these rules referred to by you as a work in progress. You left the details to the club and I do not think that any shooter took any significant advantage. It is the rifle and the shooter against the wind.

So you again ask for my suggested rules. Any air rifle without a regulator costing less than $1000.00 supported on the bench with any front rest provided that those with mechanical adjustments may not be used during the match. The cheaters will cheat and there is no additional wording that would stop them. Anything additional in restrictions will turn more away than add them to the game. That is what we used in the first half as a work in progress and we were successful.

I have a selfish motive in all of this as one of a couple of clubs that participated in this class and with the majority of the shooters who turned in scores. I am trying to find a way that the shooters that started this class can continue with the 6 rifles that competed in the first half. My focus is allowing anyone that shows up with equipment that is simply not competitive in any other class to fall into this entry level class. Wording such as competitors with equipment that would offer as significant advantage as determined by the Club Match director will be placed in an appropriate class or asked to change that item to better fit the entry level objective could be added.

The focus here is the assumption that we got these guys to shoot that they do not fit into the small group of slim balls that will cheat any thing in life to win. Any shooter that has an air rifle has messed with his trigger. There is no way to police that. Those that have may not be able or willing to try to undo what they have done. Those with a simple bench rest that they own will not want to buy something else. Many do not even have any commercial rest and have filled cloth bags with sand bags to plink or sight in their rifles. The scope on their rifle is the one they have decided meets their need. As to mechanical rest they offer no advantage if the adjustments cannot be used during the match. As far as a nob getting loose... that sounds like a personal problem and you can fix the rest or fill a sock with sand.

Our goal bring in new shooters and turn no one away. Few will make a career of shooting at the entry level, most will quit or move up. As two of our guys have done.

Enough said...

On the light side when one air gunner was asked why he had three very expensive air rifles? His reply "because I cannot afford four."

Bob
 
Bob,

While this thread is supposed to be about possible new USA Scoreline formats, the tangent is Production class rules.

Here we go.

Your rule, "Any air rifle without a regulator costing less than $1000.00 supported on the bench with any front rest provided that those with mechanical adjustments may not be used during the match."

These are the current rules for Production class,
.177, .20 and .22 calibers are allowed.
The rifle must be completely unmodified.
Only adjustments listed in the owners manual are allowed (plus adding a scope).
Any power level is allowed.
Any weight rifle is allowed.
MSRP for air rifle, scope rings and scope not to exceed $700.00USD.
All power plants are allowed, springer, SSP, MSP, CO2 and PCP.
No mechanical front rest or one piece rest.
Shooting will be off bags only.
International scoring rules will apply.
Target distance will be 25 meters.

Would you agree that we have only 3 differences,
1. Price limit, $1,000 vs $700.00
2. Front rest, no adjustments
3. Any modifications (in your case) vs completely unmodified.

We can probably agree to the front rest change. The price limit is a significant departure from where we began. Since what you see as modifications are internal and could not be seen, it comes down to the honor code. Would a compromise be in order?
 
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Chris,

I am up for any thing that will let most any one come and compete with what he already own. I would think that one should be using the factory barrel or a factory replacement and that the trigger has not been replaced. That it is non regulated is the key. If we go overboard to try and make it completely fair, rather than show up and shoot what you own. We risk turning some one away.

The only reason I put a dollar limit at all was to eliminate high dollar non regulated rifles. Perhaps 800.00 would be a better choice. I think it is high enough to prevent sending some one home who has selected a better than average scope or rings or done a trigger job or removed a barrel band etc. I can see that most any major limitation on an unregulated rifle will send some one home.

As I suggested in previous post the decision is yours.

You have allowed input and of course some compromises are in order. considering that the goal is to bring people to the range and we can say "your equipment may not be competitive in the majority of our classes, but we want to include you. Since your rifle is non regulated, the production class may be a good place to get stated. It is as fair as we can make it to allow you to compete with similar equipment with no one having a major advantage.
If your rifle were regulated then the new class will be a better fit I think that non regulated guns are also allowed there if that would be a better choice.

I do not think any modifications is a good statement, but restrictions that are simple external and or trigger work that most have done so......selected modifications... would be a better description on my part.

I just want to have something open enough that I can have all of my shooters who showed up to play continue to do so and turn in scores without totally leaving decisions to the MD as we did in the first half.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...It is and I think that the MD can sort out those individual cases. if they have been around air rifles for a while.

If we agree that this is a work in progress and next year may bring more fine tuning we are good to go.

Bob
 
Now wait a minuite here............I am not so sure how to take that remark on "Rules simple enough for Frank Tirrell to understand"

With that said I do agree that brother Steve and I do have differences at times but I assure you he does recognize I still believe one and one is still two and and black is black. I must confess I still demand precise clarification on subjects we discuss, something I find irritates him from time to time. I find this degree of clarity great for maintaining order and eliminating shades of gray a trait left over from my extremely formal quality assurance days.

I am however still a bit confused on his free use of my name pertaining to this subject, implying perhaps my lack of gray matter or my staunch adherance to form. It's use at this writing unclear.

Hammer this out gentlemen and remember the KISS principal.

THANK YOU.............THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Frank:)
 
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Frank,

Only a joke.

Back on the USA Scoreline. We believe that the rules are very close to being finalized. I will start a new thread to ensure we get any other input that the match directors and shooters would like to provide. Thank you to all who helped.
 
new to this , can i shoot 3 classes over both winter and spring scoring periods

cris said:
Frank,

Only a joke.

Back on the USA Scoreline. We believe that the rules are very close to being finalized. I will start a new thread to ensure we get any other input that the match directors and shooters would like to provide. Thank you to all who helped.
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i want to shoot HV ,open and unlimited for both peroids . as long as i turn in min. 9 cards for each im ok ?:confused:
 
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