U.S. Military Crusader Scopes?

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gt40

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Has anyone heard about these scopes? Are they really military scopes. It is 3-25x56mm with the ranging Mil-dot (looks like Horus ranging reticule) that is rear plane focal engraved. 30mm tube with 1/8" elevation & windage adjustments.

The scope is supposed to be a + or - $3000.00 scope.

What would be a good price for a used one in really good shape?

gt40
 
I have never heard of them.
The most common for the US Army is the Leupold on the M24 and now we are seeing a lot of Night Force such as those on the MK 13's and a few other weapons.
Ted
 
I got this on another forum:

"I cant say how rugged they are, but the glass is pretty impressive for the price. The mechanicals seem pretty repeatable. I tried one of those box tests and it worked great. I shoot at 600 and 100 a great deal with my .308 and I just crank on the scope and it seems just as reliable as the super sniper I took off the gun but it has variable power. The lighted reticle is pretty cheesy, but I actually like the scope pretty well. It aint no nightforce or even a leupold but for the money its working out pretty good so far, time will tell".

gt40
 
I do not know who manufactures it.

Here is the reticule that is etched into the lens that is a "Horus" I believe.

gt40
 

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John,

They definitely aren't for everyone... but some people swear by them for rapid engagement of moving targets and/or unknown distance targets. One way to use them is shoot, spot the shot (ideally in another scope with the same grid) and immediately follow up by aiming with the point in the grid where the shot impact was. They have some fairly involved PDA software for calculating 1st round hits... instead of clicking like we do with traditional iron sights or scopes, you get a correction telling you which grid row/column to aim with.

Try this page, at the bottom, for a demo of the Horus system.

http://www.horusvision.com/reticles.php

Again, they ain't for everyone - and they aren't exactly what I consider a 'precision' reticle (being first focal plane), but they can do specific things fairly well.

YMMV,

Monte
 
Mega deal on these
Sportsman's guide has them for 250-620 bucks, depending on the variations.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/c....aspx?a=556346


This is in the ad what does it mean: "rear plane reticle is focal plane engraved"? :confused:

Does this mean that when the power is increased the reticule gets thicker or does not get thicker?

Wouldn't you want the reticule to remain the same thickness from the lowest power all the way up to the highest power?

gt40
 
Not for a range-finding variable power scope. You want the hashes or mildots or whatever to change with the magnification so that they are always relative to the target. That way your range dope is the same even if you have to zoom out and reacquire.

With first focal plane reticles, the reticle is always going to cover up the same amount of the target, but it's not like you zoom in and suddenly everything is obscured by your crosshairs.
 
EssentialTremor said:
Not for a range-finding variable power scope. You want the hashes or mildots or whatever to change with the magnification so that they are always relative to the target. That way your range dope is the same even if you have to zoom out and reacquire.
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This is in the ad what does it mean: "rear plane reticle is focal plane engraved"? :confused: Is this the same as "first focal plane reticles"? Sorry for being so thick headed.

Does this mean that when the power is increased the reticule gets thicker or does not get thicker?

gt40
 
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gt40,

That is a bit confusing. First focal plane reticles refer to the objective lens and the crosshair will grow or shrink as the power is adjusted. Second or rear focal plane reticles usually refer to the ocular lens and you have a calibration setting (like 22 on the Nightforce although they now offer a first focal plane too). My guess is that either it is a type or it is a rear/second folcal plane reticle.

In either case it is not a USO for $500.
 
Tony Shankle said:
In either case it is not a USO for $500.
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gt40 said:
The scope is supposed to be a + or - $3000.00 scope.
gt40
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From what I can tell, the $3000 dollar price is what the gov't paid for these. So $500 dollars is what they're probably worth....if that. Probably not a $400 toilet seat, but I don't think the Pentagon has ever paid a fair price for anything.
 
EssentialTremor said:
Sportsman's guide has them for 250-620 bucks, depending on the variations.


"sportsman's guide" ... say no more. They have a store/warehouse here in St. Paul, MN. It is full of no-name junk and returns from disappointed customers. The quality of their merchandise is "flea-market" grade at best. If you look real close at their add, you can see circles all over that scope from people touching it with a ten-foot pole. :D
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Amen and give me a break guys. If they have USO on that scope and they sell for $500 I will fly up there tomorrow and take every single one they have and triple my money in a month.

This is NOT a 3k scope!

Here is their company website http://countersniperoptics.com/

Here is their parent company http://www.darkopsholdings.com/

I spend a lot of time in the tactical community and I have never seen one of these scopes. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duct...good luck!

Run now and thank me later!:D
 
Holy jebus on a pogo stick, Tony...I just visited the "counter-sniper optics" web page. You guys should look it up, it is a laugh riot! Some gems:

  • They describe Rochester NY thus:
    "Long a primary Soviet nuclear impact target due to the creation of optical sighting systems for satellites, spy planes and now digital imaging devices, it is home to some of the premier optical creation...companies."​
  • Lenses are coated with "Bertrillium-Zantitium." No word from the scientific community on what the hell Bertrillium or Zantitium is.
  • The company was:
    "Borne of a decade of development for the sterile and untraceable optical rifle sighting requirements of Special Operations and clandestine warfare...."​
    Oh my goodness. Untraceable optics?
  • They warranty (misspelling it "warrantee") against "bomb damage, and even bullet impacts!"
  • Have you ever wanted to autoclave your scope? Well now it's OK...I kid you not. They really say that.

Man alive.
 
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Bingo!;)

Now if we can just get GT40 to look I think our work here is done!:D
 
I think ya'l have convinced my to look at something a little better. I've been contemplating getting a 5-25x 56mm scope sold by Liberty Optics.

It is one of The Premier Heritage tactical scopes.

Take a look: http://www.libertyoptics.com/index1.html

does this one look like a good one?

gt40
 
GT40,

IMHO, in the area of precision shooting, the optics decision is not the one to go cheap on. Go name brand. Cry once.

Take it for what it's worth,
Greg J.
 
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