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brad541thb
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16oz would be my bet for it to shoot typically the best if your barrel is like my Benchmark barrel and my hunch is that it will be. The length and diameter I'm dang near certain will be what will determine what weight tuner you will need. 16oz seems to work well with a barrel that is around .875 at muzzle and around 26" in length.
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brad541thb
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Roy,
Try setting 330 and 360 with the 16oz total tuner weight.
Try setting 330 and 360 with the 16oz total tuner weight.
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captin
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When I started this thread I was thinking it would help me and others and I think it has.
I have read about some saying they started adding weight until the vertical stringing stopped and then started tunning.
I just didn't want to keep popping up 10 dollar a box ammo and not be headed to the sweetest spot I could find.
Like everyone else I want to do this with little shots as possible.
Thanks to all for all the advice and any others experience is welcome.
Need all the help I can get.
I have read about some saying they started adding weight until the vertical stringing stopped and then started tunning.
I just didn't want to keep popping up 10 dollar a box ammo and not be headed to the sweetest spot I could find.
Like everyone else I want to do this with little shots as possible.
Thanks to all for all the advice and any others experience is welcome.
Need all the help I can get.
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brad541thb
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captin,
I forgot to mention that tuner setting 300 works well with the 16oz tuner.
Also setting 332 shoots very well on just the plane jane 8 oz tuner.
Let us know how things go.
I forgot to mention that tuner setting 300 works well with the 16oz tuner.
Also setting 332 shoots very well on just the plane jane 8 oz tuner.
Let us know how things go.
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garrisone
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Is there some mathmatical formula you have to come up with the weight of the tuner? Thanks for your reply in advance. Length of barrel plus or minus the diameter of the barrel equals the weight of the tuner as you seem to imply. garrisone.
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brad541thb
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No formula just going on hindsight.
A barrel length and diameter(and its taper) will pretty much be one of the major contributing factors to how that barrel will vibrate is my theory. Another contributing factor will be the actual bore diameter and choke in the end of the barrel if it has choke. I say that about choke because a barrel that has choke will have a little more harmonic response to the choke equivalence if that makes sense to you.
I believe that a lot of guys have very good shooting guns that will indeed shoot very well on just a tuner weight of 8oz or 11oz. Can they be made to shoot even better by going to a say 13oz or 16oz tuner on a day to day shooting basis? I don't know the exact answer, but I have my hunch that a lot of the good shooting barrels can be made to shoot even better by going to a heavier weight tuner. I do know this much; you won't know if you don't try and see for yourself. My Benchmark barrel shoots a lot better groups on avg with the 16oz tuner and a mid barrel tuner. I have seen the light.
I'd bet money my original Suhl barrel would have shot better as well with a 16oz tuner and the mid barrel tuner had I have had both at the time(my Hoehn tuner wasn't threaded at the time to accept weights and I didn't have a mid barrel tuner then). Why I say that is based on the fact that my Suhl barrel and Benchmark barrel shot the exact same kind of ammo well. My Benchmark barrel was made to the exact same specs for length and diameter taper as my Suhl barrel. You can figure the rest out on your own.
I'm no rocket scientist, but I am smart enough to figure out the equation.
A barrel length and diameter(and its taper) will pretty much be one of the major contributing factors to how that barrel will vibrate is my theory. Another contributing factor will be the actual bore diameter and choke in the end of the barrel if it has choke. I say that about choke because a barrel that has choke will have a little more harmonic response to the choke equivalence if that makes sense to you.
I believe that a lot of guys have very good shooting guns that will indeed shoot very well on just a tuner weight of 8oz or 11oz. Can they be made to shoot even better by going to a say 13oz or 16oz tuner on a day to day shooting basis? I don't know the exact answer, but I have my hunch that a lot of the good shooting barrels can be made to shoot even better by going to a heavier weight tuner. I do know this much; you won't know if you don't try and see for yourself. My Benchmark barrel shoots a lot better groups on avg with the 16oz tuner and a mid barrel tuner. I have seen the light.
I'd bet money my original Suhl barrel would have shot better as well with a 16oz tuner and the mid barrel tuner had I have had both at the time(my Hoehn tuner wasn't threaded at the time to accept weights and I didn't have a mid barrel tuner then). Why I say that is based on the fact that my Suhl barrel and Benchmark barrel shot the exact same kind of ammo well. My Benchmark barrel was made to the exact same specs for length and diameter taper as my Suhl barrel. You can figure the rest out on your own.
I'm no rocket scientist, but I am smart enough to figure out the equation.
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brad541thb
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QUOTE=Kent Owens;472626]shooter223
My best guess would be for you to take the tuner off and test the rifle with some good match ammo. Then put it back on and try and tune it to get the groups as good as you were getting without it, then fine tune from there. Personally I like the 8 oz. Harrel tuners and use a weight from 5-6 to 7 ozs on an .850-.875 barrel 24-25" long. That combination seems to work with that barrel length and diameter. If you change the barrel length and contour it's a whole new puzzle, but one that can be solved with enough experimenting and testing.[/QUOTE]
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Now that's a direct quote from my good buddy Mr. Kent Owens on here about a tuner on a Suhl 150 in another thread about Time tuners.
Now I agree with his assessment, and I couldn't have said it better myself. Kent is one heck of a smart man. Probably without question one of the smartest gun guys that I have talked to on the phone that I got to know from forums just like this one. I think Kent has forgot more about general gun knowledge than most know. And he won't admit to that either. He's just a super nice guy. I call him a walking gun book of knowledge.
Now I didn't post that here to start a arguement over tuners. And anything you want to say to me about tuners by all means direct them to me and not Kent. I do know for a fact that Kent was the very first guy to mention the thing about 16oz tuners to me. I have tested my gun enough to know that what Kent told me was damn great advice. He has yet to steer me wrong. And if I hadn't of had access to forums like this one, I would have never ever got the info he gave me.
My best guess would be for you to take the tuner off and test the rifle with some good match ammo. Then put it back on and try and tune it to get the groups as good as you were getting without it, then fine tune from there. Personally I like the 8 oz. Harrel tuners and use a weight from 5-6 to 7 ozs on an .850-.875 barrel 24-25" long. That combination seems to work with that barrel length and diameter. If you change the barrel length and contour it's a whole new puzzle, but one that can be solved with enough experimenting and testing.[/QUOTE]
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Now that's a direct quote from my good buddy Mr. Kent Owens on here about a tuner on a Suhl 150 in another thread about Time tuners.
Now I agree with his assessment, and I couldn't have said it better myself. Kent is one heck of a smart man. Probably without question one of the smartest gun guys that I have talked to on the phone that I got to know from forums just like this one. I think Kent has forgot more about general gun knowledge than most know. And he won't admit to that either.
He's just a super nice guy. I call him a walking gun book of knowledge. Now I didn't post that here to start a arguement over tuners. And anything you want to say to me about tuners by all means direct them to me and not Kent. I do know for a fact that Kent was the very first guy to mention the thing about 16oz tuners to me. I have tested my gun enough to know that what Kent told me was damn great advice. He has yet to steer me wrong. And if I hadn't of had access to forums like this one, I would have never ever got the info he gave me.
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Pepper1079
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Roy,
There is no shotcutting these things. Add weight untill it shoots. I had one Benchmark that took 21 ounces( total weight) to settle it down. It shot many 250's and won a lot of matches. I have one now that is 17 ounces. Each barrell is different.
Jim
There is no shotcutting these things. Add weight untill it shoots. I had one Benchmark that took 21 ounces( total weight) to settle it down. It shot many 250's and won a lot of matches. I have one now that is 17 ounces. Each barrell is different.
Jim
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Mickey Law
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Jim Pepper
I have a question for you. On the rifle that you had 21 ozs on it, did it keep on getting better as you added weight or did it go and come until you had all the weight on it. Thanks, Mickey
I have a question for you. On the rifle that you had 21 ozs on it, did it keep on getting better as you added weight or did it go and come until you had all the weight on it. Thanks, Mickey
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captin
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I would like to know that to Mickey.
I am up to 16 1/2 oz total weight for my next test and it may take me a couple weeks to finish as I wait till late evening or when the wind flags are evey still to do and testing and adjusting.
I am up to 16 1/2 oz total weight for my next test and it may take me a couple weeks to finish as I wait till late evening or when the wind flags are evey still to do and testing and adjusting.
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Pepper1079
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Hi Mickey,
I added weight 1 ounce at a time until Igot rid of the verticle and then went through the tuner.
Jim
You coming to Rocky River?
I added weight 1 ounce at a time until Igot rid of the verticle and then went through the tuner.
Jim
You coming to Rocky River?
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Mickey Law
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Jim Pepper
No Jim I can't make it this weekend. Pressing family matters. I am going to try to make it to PSL Match next month. Thanks for the answer. Mickey
No Jim I can't make it this weekend. Pressing family matters. I am going to try to make it to PSL Match next month. Thanks for the answer. Mickey