TUNNEL TALK, Wed., 11-12-08

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Gene Beggs

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A lively discussion about barrel indexing recently took place here on the forum. I was so proud of myself for finally figuring out a way to re-index barrels without changing headspace by using a differential thread insert between the barrel shank and the receiver threads. We discussed such things as patents and why I did not wish to pursue such. Well guess what? :eek: It's already been patented. :rolleyes:

Yep, sure has. :) Go to Google and type in 'Differential Threads." Most interesting; huh? :cool:

There's REALLY, nothing new under the sun: eh? :p :D

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
Gene, at the risk of being lawyerly, your patentable idea is not differential threads, which we can all agree have a long history - your patent will (should) be titled "A Method For Improving Rifle Accuracy Through the Use of a Differentially Threaded Coupling". That is patentable.
 
German Salazar said:
Gene, at the risk of being lawyerly, your patentable idea is not differential threads, which we can all agree have a long history - your patent will (should) be titled "A Method For Improving Rifle Accuracy Through the Use of a Differentially Threaded Coupling". That is patentable.
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German, I'll let others seek the patents. Me? I'll just mosey on down the pathway of life, having fun and trying to figure out this extreme rifle accuracy puzzle. :D

Nice to hear from you. :)

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
Gene, I fully understand your lack of desire to pursue the patent, it's an uphill climb at best. However, brilliance should be recognized, even if not rewarded, and your idea is brilliant. Not being a machinist or having a particularly agile capacity for three dimensional visualization, it took me a while to really understand the mechanics of what you proposed, but once I got it, I realized I was in the cyber-presence of genius. Well done.
 
German

you need to be careful if you want any more information from Gene. That kind of talk his head will get so big that he wont be able to nose up to the entrance and see down the scope. If he can't shoot, the information may dry up. :D
 
Gene has the right idea.

How many inserts would he have to sell to pay for aquiring a patent. From my limited experience, to mfg an item with a high set up cost a patent attourney can have a search done to make sure you are not infringing on someone elses patent for a few hundred dollars. By doing this you won't have a big cost involved and then get stopped as soon as you start selling the item. If you do find patents you could be infringing upon you may choose to pay the owner of the patent a licensing fee if you cannot find a way to circumvent the patent. You can just make and sell small items without fear. The worst that will happen is you will get a letter from someone if he thinks you are infringing on his rights. Kenny
 
stiller said:
you need to be careful if you want any more information from Gene. That kind of talk his head will get so big that he wont be able to nose up to the entrance and see down the scope. If he can't shoot, the information may dry up. :D
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Mornin' Jerry! :p

Me? Swelled head? Naa, no way, but it does feel good to get a pat on the back once in a while. :D

Wish we lived closer so you and I and Curtis could brainstorm more often. I believe between the three of us and a little input from Hensler, we could be dangerous.

Have a good one today.

Best regards,

Gene Beggs
 
German

Don't you think by discussing the indexing method in detail on this forum, Gene has already placed it in the public domain?

Once it's in the public domain, no one can patent the invention, not even Gene. He cannot block anyone from using the invention, but no one can block him either. Purposely placing an invention in the public domain is a strategy we've use several times.

If someone did get a patent issued on this, it shouldn't take much to invalidate it - just a copy of the discussion on this forum.

JMHO,
Ron
 
Ron, yes, generally speaking, I agree with what you wrote. My post was more to clarify that the invention here isn't the threaded coupler but rather the use of a threaded coupler for a specific purpose (accuracy enhancement).
 
Don't you actually have to sell one of the units before it becomes public domain.
 
RJM said:
Don't you think by discussing the indexing method in detail on this forum, Gene has already placed it in the public domain?

Once it's in the public domain, no one can patent the invention, not even Gene. He cannot block anyone from using the invention, but no one can block him either. Purposely placing an invention in the public domain is a strategy we've use several times.

If someone did get a patent issued on this, it shouldn't take much to invalidate it - just a copy of the discussion on this forum.

JMHO,
Ron
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LOL. Try convincing Browning of that regarding Tuners. And because of that we do not have that nifty attachment method/device that Que used on their muzzle device.
 
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Same for Tuners

Same reasoning. We have various tuners by in the late 60's, early 70's , but Browning still patented the "BOSS". My dreams were infringed upon.
 
Where is the posting where that one builder said he invented tuners?
 
Jeffrey,

Jeffrey,
In order to be patented, an invention has to be "useful, novel, and not obvious." If it doesn't meet these three criteria, it's likely to be rejected.

With "novelty", the question is if the invention is known in the "prior art" before the patent filing. By publishing the invention, Gene has created his own "prior art." A patent examiner might not catch the discussion on this forum and allow the patent, but the discussion on the forum is still prior art which makes defending the patent in any litigation difficult. If instead Gene had filed an application before the discussion on the forum, then it would not be prior art.

US Patent 6,360,693 issued, where a stick was essentially patented as an animal toy! Although it issued, upon re-examination all 20 claims were cancelled. I'll attach a PDF copy - it's good for a laugh. The re-examination is the last page.
Regards, Ron
 

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Gene Beggs 220 Russian

Hi Gene, would you please let me have details of your 220 Russian wildcat developement and results. I seem to have missed out on previous info as I just joined despite shooting 22's competition benchrest since 1960.

Ozyboy:)
 
Child's Toy

Ron:
I guess I'm out of luck in trying to obtain a patent on the Cardboard Box, that transforms into a Spaceship, Battleship, Supersonic Bullet Train, Airplane, Race Car, Submarine, Bat Cave, and Safety Place.
 
Fred J said:
Ron:
I guess I'm out of luck in trying to obtain a patent on the Cardboard Box, that transforms into a Spaceship, Battleship, Supersonic Bullet Train, Airplane, Race Car, Submarine, Bat Cave, and Safety Place.
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You forgot Time Machine and Transmogrifier :) I can see missing Duplicator with Ethicator function and Atomic Cerebral Enhance-O-Tron but to miss Transmogrifier!!! The Horror!

LOL

al
 
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