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kdw52
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Im new at this benchrest stuff and Im looking for some input on tuners; setup, pros, cons and any info in general on how these work the best. Thanks in advance.
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Doug
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Learn to use the search function for this forum. You will find tons of information on Tuners. Everything from what they are to where to buy one.
Team40X also has some tips on Tuners in the Worth Reading section.
http://team40x.com/
Team40X also has some tips on Tuners in the Worth Reading section.
http://team40x.com/
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Rock63
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A very well worded question. I look forward to seeing factual responses from informed parties.
Dave S
NRA Benefactor Member
kdw52:
Tuners are used to dampen the barrel vibrations of your barrel.. There are several types of tuners with the most common being the Harrell, Hoehn and Fudd. You order the tuner and usually the person you order it from will bore out the tuner so that it is a tight fit on the end of your barrel. The tuner then clamps on the end of your barrel and has an adjustable sleeve that is marked with graduations from "0" up to 500 or 600. Each complete turn of the sleeve gives you 25 degrees of difference. Once you get the tuner on your rifle, then you take the ammo that you are going to use and "tune" your barrel to that ammo. The difference between a tuner and no tuner is that with the tuner, you can tune your rifle to a certain ammo and not have to buy numerous lots of ammo to find one your rifle likes. Once you start tuning, I usually shoot three shot groups until I find the "sweet" spot on the barrel. I have an article called "The Hopewell Method" that I can e-mail you, explaining how to tune your rifle with 2 boxes of shells. I can also e-mail you a picture of the Harrell Tuner.. E-mail me at dsnaphoto@aol.com for the information..
I'm sure that now, somebody else will chip in with some information for you..
Hope this helps..
Dave Smith
Tuners are used to dampen the barrel vibrations of your barrel.. There are several types of tuners with the most common being the Harrell, Hoehn and Fudd. You order the tuner and usually the person you order it from will bore out the tuner so that it is a tight fit on the end of your barrel. The tuner then clamps on the end of your barrel and has an adjustable sleeve that is marked with graduations from "0" up to 500 or 600. Each complete turn of the sleeve gives you 25 degrees of difference. Once you get the tuner on your rifle, then you take the ammo that you are going to use and "tune" your barrel to that ammo. The difference between a tuner and no tuner is that with the tuner, you can tune your rifle to a certain ammo and not have to buy numerous lots of ammo to find one your rifle likes. Once you start tuning, I usually shoot three shot groups until I find the "sweet" spot on the barrel. I have an article called "The Hopewell Method" that I can e-mail you, explaining how to tune your rifle with 2 boxes of shells. I can also e-mail you a picture of the Harrell Tuner.. E-mail me at dsnaphoto@aol.com for the information..
I'm sure that now, somebody else will chip in with some information for you..
Hope this helps..
Dave Smith
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rick_687
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Tuners
really don't have a "down" side as long as they are permitted by the rules of the game you are shooting. For example, ARG Sporter class rifles cannot have tuners.
The previous post by DaveS accurate and informative. Tuners will help good ammo shoot better, but can't make bad ammo shoot well. You will find that different ammunition will perform differently in your rifle. A tuner will maximize accuracy.
really don't have a "down" side as long as they are permitted by the rules of the game you are shooting. For example, ARG Sporter class rifles cannot have tuners.
The previous post by DaveS accurate and informative. Tuners will help good ammo shoot better, but can't make bad ammo shoot well. You will find that different ammunition will perform differently in your rifle. A tuner will maximize accuracy.
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silfox
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I have a Kimber 82G that came with a Tuner on a "Bison" barrel so I can't say how well the tuner improved the accuracy of the gun. However I have a Anschutz 64 MPR with a Hoehn Tuner and the Tuner addition helped out the accuracy of this gun. If allowed, I would add the tuner.
Richard
Richard
I've never understood that statement: Tuners will help good ammo shoot better, but can't make bad ammo shoot well.
Does it mean tuners affect only ammo that groups below a certain size? Or does it mean tuners only reduce group size by a certain amount? Can someone explain the statement?
Does it mean tuners affect only ammo that groups below a certain size? Or does it mean tuners only reduce group size by a certain amount? Can someone explain the statement?
I was wondering when you would show up here. I believe you have posted in every tuner thread I've read on this site and your opinions of tuners are very obvious, and very misplaced.
I also assume you've been at this game longer than I have and find it hard to believe you don't understand that comment.
Good ammo = Eley, Lapua, RWS
Bad ammo = anything in a bulk pack
While a tuner may help the bulk pack stuff shoot better than it otherwise would, it won't turn it into an Eley, Lapua, or RWS. I'm sure your mental capacity can understand the quality control and consistency that good ammo offers over bad ammo.
I added a tuner to my rifle a little over a month ago and when comparing match results before and after, my scores and X counts improved significantly.
100 bull, 4 page indoor unsanctioned match....before tuner > 990/29X, after tuner > 998/48X.
40 bull, 2 page outdoor unsanctioned match....before tuner > 392/14X, after tuner > 398/26X
Dispute that!!
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DonMatzeder
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Frey, you have not listened to Cecil too close. Cecil does not shoot BR. You have infinitely more experience than he does. He thinks he's an enginere.
In my upcoming book "Tuner Theory", I attempt to explain this statement to the weak minded. It simply means that, under the right conditions, a tuner, some call them a muzzle device, can be relied upon to make good ammo better but cannot be relied upon to make bad ammo worse. Of couse, this assumes a reliance on the tuner and not the rifle or shooter. Thus, good ammo will remain good and bad ammo will remain bad. Quite simple actually within the cognizant ability of the non-empirical line.
I always wanted to drive a train.
Kent Owens
Well-known member
Where do you guys find "good Ammo"?
To the original poster, if you'll elaborate on what rifle and barrel contour you are working with, maybe someone here can get you started in the right direction. I'd be willing to give it a shot.
To the original poster, if you'll elaborate on what rifle and barrel contour you are working with, maybe someone here can get you started in the right direction. I'd be willing to give it a shot.
Well, I just came in and turned my machine on and I'm somewhat overwhelmed at the response towards my long-awaited book, "Tuner Theory." So, I've decided to reveal the basic ideas in this and next few posts. But right now, I have a problem because the storm blew over the spam tree and it's about to hit my doghouse. So, I need to get that taken care of first, but on to tuners, some people call them a muzzle device. My keyboard on my machine appears to be overheating and I guess I need some coolant, and I'm pretty sure I've not watered my bore today. Better go, it's almost lunch time. I hope you're beginning to understand the basics here but more on that later. I think I'll go fry an egg....
Pacecil,
The problem lies not in my explanation, but your understanding. I've devised a method to test a tuner, some call them a muzzle device, using a Schlitz beercan circa 1974, 700 feet of 12 lb test fishing line, a razor blade and the door hinge of a 1957 Pontiac Starchief, and I'll be glad to explain my methods to you, of course you have to have a wide body of water available. More on that later. It's after luchtime, my bore is watered and I'm really busy. I can answer your questions and would be happy to do so. I remember when I was a small boy and swam across a wide body of water once. Almost drowned. We can revolutionize tuners with my new book and the testing method outlined above. More on that later. I'm hungry.
The problem lies not in my explanation, but your understanding. I've devised a method to test a tuner, some call them a muzzle device, using a Schlitz beercan circa 1974, 700 feet of 12 lb test fishing line, a razor blade and the door hinge of a 1957 Pontiac Starchief, and I'll be glad to explain my methods to you, of course you have to have a wide body of water available. More on that later. It's after luchtime, my bore is watered and I'm really busy. I can answer your questions and would be happy to do so. I remember when I was a small boy and swam across a wide body of water once. Almost drowned. We can revolutionize tuners with my new book and the testing method outlined above. More on that later. I'm hungry.
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Doug
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It simply means that, under the right conditions, a tuner, some call them a muzzle device,
can be relied upon to make good ammo better but cannot be relied upon to make bad ammo worse.
can be relied upon to make good ammo better but cannot be relied upon to make bad ammo worse.
Now that is the best Advice on a Tuner and Ammo relationship that I have seen in a long time!
It would be a good starting point for those who do not understand the relationship between an accurate rifle and what you feed it!
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J Pappas
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Pacecil
Pacecil, you really do need to go to a rimfire match someday. You would then realize that your rifle has no chance of being competive in a rimfire benchrest match. If your rifle broke 1400 on a ARA target in a match I for one would be impressed. And you really don't understand what a rimfire rifle has to shoot to be a competive gun in rimfire benchrest. I have read your posts for 2 years and You clearly know very little about rimfire benchrest. If You went to one benchrest rimfire match you would learn alot. The statement Beau made is pretty simple. James
Pacecil, you really do need to go to a rimfire match someday. You would then realize that your rifle has no chance of being competive in a rimfire benchrest match. If your rifle broke 1400 on a ARA target in a match I for one would be impressed. And you really don't understand what a rimfire rifle has to shoot to be a competive gun in rimfire benchrest. I have read your posts for 2 years and You clearly know very little about rimfire benchrest. If You went to one benchrest rimfire match you would learn alot. The statement Beau made is pretty simple. James