suggested ban on assault weapons

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This is from the 27 Feb USA TODAY - take a look at Holder's comments (5th & 7th paragraphs) - it sounds like he is gearing up for another gun ban as when he was with the Clinton administration.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Mexican drug cartels are shipping more than massive quantities of drugs north of the border. Increasingly, they're also exporting bloody mayhem.
Seeking to stem the growing influence of the Sinaloa cartel within the United States, federal agents arrested more than 50 suspects in raids Tuesday night and Wednesday morning at different ends of the country. The raids capped a 21-month operation by the Drug Enforcement Administration that rounded up 755 suspects and seized more than $59 million in criminal proceeds.

"These cartels will be destroyed," Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday at a press conference announcing the arrests.

The overnight roundup by DEA and state and local police included arrests in California, Minnesota and the Maryland suburbs of Washington.

Holder called the cartels a threat to national security, adding, "They are lucrative, they are violent, and they are operated with stunning planning and precision."

The attorney general also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence.
Increasingly, U.S. law enforcement officials see cartel violence spill into the United States, often as far away as Phoenix and Atlanta.

As he discussed the problem, Holder spoke briefly in Spanish, pledging continued cooperation with Mexican authorities who have increasingly come under direct fire from the heavily armed drug gangs.

U.S. officials have a responsibility to make sure Mexican police "are not fighting substantial numbers of weapons, or fighting against AK-47s or other similar kinds of weapons that have been flowing to Mexico," Holder said.

DEA Acting Administrator Michele Leonhart said the raid showed the tentacles of the crime syndicate had spread far across the U.S. — not just to major cities like Washington and Los Angeles, but to quiet, smaller communities like Stow, Ohio, which the cartel allegedly used as a conduit to funnel drugs around the country.

Leonhart said the Sinaloa cartel has become one of the largest organized crime operations in the world.

"They've been hit hard, and their ability to spread death and destruction has been diminished" by the arrests, Leonhart said.

Last year, a sweeping corruption probe led to the arrest of a dozen high-ranking Mexican officials accused of collaborating with the Sinaloa group or its one-time ally, the Beltran Leyva gang. Those arrested include former drug czar Noe Ramirez, who is accused of taking $450,000 from Sinaloa.

The U.S. government has praised President Felipe Calderon's government for rooting out corruption at the top.

Yet over the many months the DEA's investigation proceeded, cartel violence on both sides of the border increased substantially.

The State Department issued a travel warning Friday, urging U.S. citizens traveling to Mexico to be aware of the increased threat of violence and kidnapping, especially along the border. The situation in Ciudad Juarez, which lies across the border from El Paso, is of special concern, the State Department cautioned.

It also issued an advisory on Spring Break in Mexico, where more than 100,000 U.S. citizens visit each year. The department warns of the increased violence along the border and advises revelers in Matamoros and Nuevo Progresso, popular destinations for spring breakers on South Padre Island, Texas, to "exercise commonsense precautions such as visiting only the well-traveled business and tourism areas of border towns during daylight and early-evening hours."

The advisory came as a U.N. official said the world risks losing decades of progress in drug control if it fails to counter the emergence of a criminal market of "staggering proportions,"

"I confess I feel somewhat frustrated," Antonio Maria Costa, executive director of the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime, said following a meeting to commemorate a century of international work on curbing trafficking in opium and other drugs.

Countries should "take control of organized crime far more seriously. Otherwise the accomplishments generated over the past few decades could be undermined," Costa said of the threat from criminal syndicates spreading their reach across almost every continent.

International efforts to curb trading in opium and other narcotics began in 1909 in Shanghai, then China's main hub for the opium trade, with the meeting of the 13-country International Opium Commission.

The delegates meeting Thursday issued a "Shanghai declaration" lauding progress in controlling the trade in opium and its derivatives in the decades that followed that first meeting but urging stronger efforts to combat modern drug scourges.

"We must have the courage to look at the dramatic, unintended consequences of drug control: the emergence of a criminal market of staggering proportions," Costa said. He did not make any specific recommendations at the commemoration.

Countries have so far failed to implement anti-crime measures in a way that has had an impact on the drug trade, he added, describing efforts to curb use of the Internet for drug trafficking and other crimes as "inept to say the least."

The international opium commission did not put an end to opium trafficking in China, which persisted in the chaotic times leading up to the 1949 Communist revolution.

But its decision to begin trying to regulate the opium trade holds a special significance for China, a country whose appetite for the drug left it bankrupted and vulnerable to humiliating defeats by colonial powers.

In the 1950s, China largely eradicated widespread drug use, mostly of opium, along with prostitution and gambling.

But as social controls were loosened in the past several decades, the drug trade in China has flourished. Government statistics put the number of known addicts in China at 1.2 million, including 700,000 heroin users, more than two-thirds of them under the age of 35.

"The achievements made by the international community in drug control remain fragile with a strong possibility of reversing," said Chinese Public Security Minister Meng Jianzhu.

The resurgence in drug abuse has brought with it rising rates of HIV infections, often due to sharing of needles. Last year, AIDS was the top killer among infectious disease, the government reported earlier this month.

In China, heroin and opium come from Burma and Laos and, to a lesser extent, Central Asian nations. Occasional reports say opium is also being cultivated in isolated parts of southern China. Ketamine and menthamphetamines are growing problems.

But the biggest source of opium globally, accounting for 90%, remains strife-torn Afghanistan, Costa said.
 
thats why I went out and purchased a 2nd AR just in case... Its amazing to me that these Libs dont understand that the only people that respect gun bans are LAW ABIDING citizens, NOT cartel members or criminals. Idiots...:mad:
 
I heard that Pelosi told Holder that now wasn't the time for an AWB, so maybe she remembers what happened after the first one. BUT, with BHO, Holder, Emanuel, and a lot of other anti-gun people in the current administration they might well try to jam it down our throats. :mad:
 
Maybe I'm the dumbest guy in town... Can someone explain to me how banning guns in this country will decrease crime in another country?
 
It's all very simple. It's like going to a magic show, and not being able to figure out how the magician makes things appear and disappear Just close your eyes and take their word for it. :eek: :mad: :mad:
 
It all begins and ends with the POTUS. You can thank those, some of which frequent this forum for voting him and his Klan into office. Oh gee, I hope I didn't offend anyone!
Stop the PC
vinny
 
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Here's how to take care of the drug related AWB red herring.
LEGALIZE DRUGS and the drug cartels will whither away for lack of profitability. Prohibition does not work! Set up a system like the system we have now for alcohol sales (a drug more deadly than many illegal drugs) and be done with it. The money saved on enforcement, trials and incarceration (a staggering amount) could be used to set up drug education and rehabilitation which is the only effective means of control – self control. As always, those who will, will and those who won’t, won’t.
 
Here's how to take care of the drug related AWB red herring.
LEGALIZE DRUGS and the drug cartels will whither away for lack of profitability. Prohibition does not work! .

I don't have a very high regard for folks who smoke pot. But, I have a general disdain anyway for the chosen lifestyle that violates the mind and body. I suspect a fair number of people on this web-sight (and like everywhere else) are pot-heads, and have done other drugs too. I don't touch pot, alcohol, or tobacco. But, that wasn't always the case in my life. I say this as a person who has walked both sides of the aisle. So, with that said:

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

This is a losing battle. If folks want the crap, let them have it! Just tax the heck out of it, and establish some sought of self-help groups for those folks when they decide that they have a problem and they wish to straighten out their life. What I suggest is not much different then what we have now with alcohol.

But, as blind as the government is about everything, I don't expect changes anytime soon.
 
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Gun Ban

After they arrested the bad guys they checked the serial numbers on the Guns, Holder will not release the serial numbers for one reason.

The majority of the Guns the bad guys had were originally been supplied to the MEXICAN POLICE. They did NOT come from the USA but the Mexican Government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Attorney General does not tell the truth nor does he believe in the US Constitution.:mad:
 
You got that right. Even Pelosi stated that there was enough gun laws on the books as is, and that the country needed to be worrying about enforcing them instead of adding new ones. She claims holder made his statements without talking to anyone before hand. Holder is definitely one to keep an eye on. My main question is why is it the United States responsibility to keep illegal guns from going to Mexico? Shouldn't it be Mexico's responsibility to regulate what's coming into their own country?
 
Made in America

Sadly, if they do this, it will once again harm one of the largest still in America work forces.
 
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo-HOO-HOOHOO, TOO!!........

No 1: If they'd wanted to stop "the flow of drugs", they(the gov't)could have most effectively done so after WWII, when the concentration of addicts was at its lowest, much less than it is now.

No 2: Drugs n' Guns(new rock group????) is PAYCHECK PROTECTION for the elite. What we see here is the horse-hockey pumped out for the consumption of "The Useful Idiots",i.e. the American Taxpayer; because they will agree to: pay more, do without more, work harder for less, & sacrifice in other ways to, "Make A Difference". Guns are a real hot toy for these nitwits, because, by destroying "The Gun Culture", this is just another way to prevent like-minded people, who usually have a sense of fair play(USUALLY-gamesmanship excluded)from getting together & voting as a bloc, particularly a single-issue bloc.(yeah, there are folks like that)

Who goes to jail in "The Drug War"??? Joe Schmoe, who gets busted w/a joint, or a beer in his car, who can be pointed to as a statistic in the NEW (the old one wasn't a good enough one) "Zero Tolerance" "Get Tough Policy" in law enFORCEment stats, a number on the sign outside your police department, so you'll think they're REALLY doing something, instead of detouring after sniffing the air as they go by the donut hut. Meanwhile, the elitists continue on, reaping the benefits.

Intelligence agencies, in cahoots w/organized crime(the two greatest practitioners of the clandestine arts!!) move unprecedented quantities of this junk every day, & many are given a cut for their efforts, or, set up little(or not so little) side operations of their own. This $hit couldn't happen without collusion at the highest levels! This is how intel agencies get their off-the-books financing, and set up little soirees for politicians who are then co-opted into becoming compliant yes-men when needed! This is the real tragedy, world wide. However, if politicians feel there is no need for 30rd mags, then let the cops & military turn all theirs in! But, if THEY need 'em, then I need 'em, too! Hell, maybe I need an RPG, because the cops DON'T GET HERE ON TIME when you want them.

There are many good books out there that document these things: "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in The Global Drug Trade" Dr. Alfred McCoy;
"Dark Alliance" Gary Webb; "The Franklin Coverup" John DeCamp; "Barry & 'The Boys'" Daniel Hopsicker; "Compromised: Clinton, Bush & the CIA" Terry Reed; "Tainting Evidence" Dr. Frederick Whitehurst. If you read two, three books a year, it gives you a greater insight into these things; you look at the news a little harder, you start to see the falsehoods, and you can make a difference in perceptions and opinions of others, you CAN make a real difference in opening others eyes; and, once you do some of this reading, you begin to be able to discern when an author is feeding you the bull. Its not a chore, either, these books will have you almost spell-bound, you'll never be the same, these are really page-turners!!;)
 
No 1: If they'd wanted to stop "the flow of drugs", they(the gov't)could have most effectively done so after WWII, when the concentration of addicts was at its lowest, much less than it is now.

No 2: Drugs n' Guns(new rock group????) is PAYCHECK PROTECTION for the elite. What we see here is the horse-hockey pumped out for the consumption of "The Useful Idiots",i.e. the American Taxpayer; because they will agree to: pay more, do without more, work harder for less, & sacrifice in other ways to, "Make A Difference". Guns are a real hot toy for these nitwits, because, by destroying "The Gun Culture", this is just another way to prevent like-minded people, who usually have a sense of fair play(USUALLY-gamesmanship excluded)from getting together & voting as a bloc, particularly a single-issue bloc.(yeah, there are folks like that)

Who goes to jail in "The Drug War"??? Joe Schmoe, who gets busted w/a joint, or a beer in his car, who can be pointed to as a statistic in the NEW (the old one wasn't a good enough one) "Zero Tolerance" "Get Tough Policy" in law enFORCEment stats, a number on the sign outside your police department, so you'll think they're REALLY doing something, instead of detouring after sniffing the air as they go by the donut hut. Meanwhile, the elitists continue on, reaping the benefits.

Intelligence agencies, in cahoots w/organized crime(the two greatest practitioners of the clandestine arts!!) move unprecedented quantities of this junk every day, & many are given a cut for their efforts, or, set up little(or not so little) side operations of their own. This $hit couldn't happen without collusion at the highest levels! This is how intel agencies get their off-the-books financing, and set up little soirees for politicians who are then co-opted into becoming compliant yes-men when needed! This is the real tragedy, world wide. However, if politicians feel there is no need for 30rd mags, then let the cops & military turn all theirs in! But, if THEY need 'em, then I need 'em, too! Hell, maybe I need an RPG, because the cops DON'T GET HERE ON TIME when you want them.

There are many good books out there that document these things: "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in The Global Drug Trade" Dr. Alfred McCoy;
"Dark Alliance" Gary Webb; "The Franklin Coverup" John DeCamp; "Barry & 'The Boys'" Daniel Hopsicker; "Compromised: Clinton, Bush & the CIA" Terry Reed; "Tainting Evidence" Dr. Frederick Whitehurst. If you read two, three books a year, it gives you a greater insight into these things; you look at the news a little harder, you start to see the falsehoods, and you can make a difference in perceptions and opinions of others, you CAN make a real difference in opening others eyes; and, once you do some of this reading, you begin to be able to discern when an author is feeding you the bull. Its not a chore, either, these books will have you almost spell-bound, you'll never be the same, these are really page-turners!!;)

And my wife thinks I'm a conspiracy theorist!
Stop the PC
vinny
 
Legalize drugs.....

............Fits perfectly with this administrations code of (non)ethics................reward BAD behavior/ make good behavior punitive.

Congrats you've been indoctrinated.
 
Buy anything you want offshore!

ASK ANYONE WHO WORKS OFFSHORE AND THEY WILL CONFIRM WHAT A COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN RECENTLY TOLD ME: "YOU CAN BUY OR TRADE FOR ANYTHING YOU WANT OFFSHORE-ANYTHING". HE TOLD ME THE SHRIMPERS ETC. SIMPLY PULL ALONGSIDE WAITING INTL. VESSELS AND "START LOADING":eek: (INCLUDING PASSENGERS)
 
The one poll I have never seen in my life.

A poll of Law School professors asking the question, where in the U.S. Constitution do we find the source for drug laws?

I believe people that examine the law and the source of these laws will be surpriced at how little of any of these laws rely on the Constitutions both Federal and state for any authority.

Law makers (so called) have for years bamboozled the American people with these European Administrative laws, gone around the Supreme law of the land and created a separate government that no one has ever voted into office.
 
If the constitution meant anything to the idiots in DC, both past and present, they would have never passed the first "Tarp" never mind all the "bailouts" to follow.
Socialism doesn't work regulated Capitalism does!
Stop the PC
vinny
 
If the constitution meant anything to the idiots in DC, both past and present, they would have never passed the first "Tarp" never mind all the "bailouts" to follow.
Socialism doesn't work regulated Capitalism does!
Stop the PC
vinny



Except when regulation is drawn up by the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
 
Except when regulation is drawn up by the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

What regulation? I know what you mean I'm just being sarcastic! Barney, Dodd and Obama headed the filibuster against Bush's proposal for regulating Fanny and Freddy. It's that deregulation that the Dems as well as some Republicans supported that lead to the housing collapse. You can't force lenders to lend to those that don't qualify. Obama and his cohorts wanted to ease banking regulation so ACORN and the Community Reinvestment Act gangs could build the Democratic constituency. In other words "if we get you the money for a house then you have to vote for us, the Democrats". The Dems 50 year fight against poverty with welfare and other entitlements has done nothing but keep the minority right where the Dems want to keep them, dependent on the government. It insures their positions in office. The Republicans are know better!!!!!!!!!!
Stop the PC
vinny
 
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