Robertson Composites New Benchrest Stock

[333smitty]

The rumors of a new benchrest stock out of Canada are true.

Kelly has confirmed that the first stock will be pulled from the
the mould in a week or so.

I'm pretty sure this is the stock that Jeff (jefferson) and a fellow
Canadian shooter will be using at the upcoming Super Shoot.

Cad drawings can be viewed on the tail end of this tread.....Vic

 

[CYanchycki]

Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That is supposed to be a Canadian secret................. We are a small group.

It was to be the Teams secret weapon for the World's...........

 

[jackie schmidt]

How About A Heads Up

I am thinking about building a new Rifle, can you give us a hint as to what the basic layout will be.
I currently use the Robertson BRX......JACKIE

 

[333smitty]

CYanchycki

Are you the "other Canadian shooter" Jeff was alluding to????

Wish you well at the Worlds and the SS....Vic

 

[CYanchycki]

Smitty

I WISH....................................

I am a long way from competing at the World's. It is my plan to hopefully be able to represent our country but not for a long while. It is a retirement goal. In the meantime I have about 15 years to learn the sport.

I have a long way to go and have yet to shoot at a match or even be close to one. I am fortunate enough to have the few people who shoot in our country be kind enough to help me via the web.

I hope to be able to meet them for the first time this July at the Western Canadian Shoot in Selkirk, Manitoba.

Do I know more? No. Would I say? No. I will leave it to those who have worked hard if such a rumor has merit............

 

[Jefferson]

Ok

I will try this again as it seems to have lost my post.

there were 3 of us involved in asking for a new stock to be made. One fellow is quite shy on the net and the other may or may not want his name bantied about so quiet for now on those gents.

I can send a pic to Jackie as I cannot post pic here, limited knowldge you see.

The basic design has a thin wrist, high flat sides, quite long on overall length, a smoothing of the edges, and we took some characteristics from about 6 stocks.

Then Jackie or someone can post the wod prototype here until the finished prodect is available for posting. Ian is doing a few stocks for me with pillar bedding. RS is getting his just inletted as he will finish them. (shows who has talent and who has to pay for talent)

These should be shown at the SS if not before at Tacoma washington.

Anyway if Jackie or someone can PM me or e-mail me at my known address I can forward the only pic I have left onto them for posting here, where is Keith Sj when you need him.

Jefferson

 

[Jefferson]

e-mail sent to J S

with one image that can be posted here and a couple that I would prefer not.

thanks Jackie

and please remember I am of the three amigos the one with the least knowledge and only did the recruiting cause I stuck my big foot in my even bigger mouth about getting a Canadian designed and made Br stock. It took almost 2 years but it looks like we will still be alive to see it happen,

just trying to put something back into this fine sport. BUT Ian made it happen, the shooters are just pawns,


Jefferson

 

[333smitty]

Jefferson

I have just spoken to Jackie and he would like to see your pics.

Gary Walters can help you out posting your pics on benchrest.com
he is on the members list.

Thanks.....Vic

 

[333smitty]

Jefferson

Please check your private messages......Vic

 

[Jefferson]

soon soon

I must leave for a provincial or state park meeting until supper but I am getting some new cad drawings from Ian this afternoon before he leaves from work.

Once in I will immediately e-mail them out to 2 addresses who can post them here.
I will send them upon my return tonight even before I greet the wife.

promises promises

remember there are lots of fine stocks out there, this is just another approach.

Jeff

 

[Gary Walters]

I will try to post from e-mail

I must leave for a provincial or state park meeting until supper but I am getting some new cad drawings from Ian this afternoon before he leaves from work.

Once in I will immediately e-mail them out to 2 addresses who can post them here.
I will send them upon my return tonight even before I greet the wife.

promises promises

remember there are lots of fine stocks out there, this is just another approach.

Jeff

Jeff,

Here are the pictures you sent to me via e-mail

Gary

 

[Gary Walters]

One More Picture

This is the last picture.

Gary

 

[333smitty]

Gary and Jeff

Thanks for posting the cad drawings.....Vic

 

[Jefferson]

thanks to posting the pics

a comment is in order.

1. the angle of the butt of the stock looks pretty significant in the drawings. We believe the angle to just fit within the minimum taper requirements of the nbrsa rules. It looks like a much greater angle to me than the 6 stocks we used to get out measurements off of. The final product will have the close to minimum specs on the rear taper.

2. the stock will flow from one angle to another although it looks like a change in the angle on various parts of the stock. This is normal on that program and the sotck will not look so sharp on the angles.

Once the stock is out folks will be able to handle it and judge for themselves.

Let the fun begin


Jefferson

 

[jackie schmidt]

Jefferson

I was going to comment on the amount of drop on that butt, thanks for clearing that up.
The side profile has a strange resemblance to the originol Lee Six SPG. Of course, that goes away as soon as the other features are viewed.
The high sides on the forearm are a departure. The Robertson BRX has about 3/8 inch there, I suppose it will have to be seen if this is a improvement. Many shooters like to "pinch" that forearm with the front bag to the extent that the rules will allow. The higher sides might prohibit this with current bag set-ups.
I assume these will come with the same finish and color schemes as the current Robertson Stocks. It is nice to be able to recieve a stock, bed it, and have it ready to shoot in amatter of hours, instead of days or weeks........jackie

 

[Jefferson]

once again Jackie is right

same colors as the Robertson factory allows, and maybe some special canadian emblems on a few (hint for later)

also I might add the thinking in testing the other makers stocks was to place each stock in 4 different front bags with different levels of FILL as it were.

Then I tightened each front bag set-up in different grip levels. Then tried to lift the stock out as per the rules.

Found out most shooters that I know are placing too much grip on the triangular stocks to conform to the rules. So over the next 3 years I asked for and was allowed to check various stock "grip" set-ups at the line. A lot of folks had them so tight they lifted the gun aned rest and you would litterally carry them to your reloading area.

WHY IS THIS NOT CHECKED MORE. Butch Fisher used to do this at Tacoma once in a while and was loved by some for doing it (toungue in cheek). He knew who was pushing the rules a little too far.

What the 3 designers did in a motel room (sounds undercoverish) as we live in different cities was to set up a front and rear bag set-up.
Then we tried a the flat sided stocks and found they resisited taking the front rest for a ride better than others.
We then took some measurements of front bag types and came up with a height to match the front bag like an edgewood so you can screw this puppy down tight tight tight

and yet

gently lift it out of the bags.

Now before all you other stockmakers get your nose out of joint this is just my opinion on how some folks bend the rules. Once does not need to pinch the stock that hard but a lot do.

Perhaps enforcing the rules would help folks adjust their set-up to work, and the benefit is that some would move to slab sided stocks to make sure THEY AND ONLY THEY did not get disqualified.

Anyway we have features of at lease 5 different sotcks in the design and most measurements have been changed a little to suit our preferences and also not to copy someones hard work.

Although Tom M. called me frenchie at the supper table in Ohio once he found out I was from western canada and wanted to test my skin level. That did not seem to work as I paid the waiteress $10 to bug him all night and she did at the fish place. So Tom we did not built this to get back at you, just trying to have some fun.

Once again their are some great stocks out there and this is just our effort to design and build one that is a little different.

Hope no one is offended in that regard

jefferson

 

[Gary Walters]

Here are the pictures

Jeff,

This should be the pictures you e-mailed to me. You will have to describe what they are etc.

Gary

 

[Bill Gammon]

Interesting!

 

[Jefferson]

it is hard to explain

I type terrible, or more than terrible.

So many thoughts and not enough brains to explain. I will try a couple.

1. flat sides in front to stabilize the stock. Firm or soft front bag to guide the stock back on recoil, this one will work.

As an aside maybe when running a group or pinning the rifle this stock has vibration characteristics to minimize the tracking to straight back and forth. Less jump with the high sides and shape of the contour to the gripless pistol area.

that is why it looks like more taper than with a pistol grip style


2. the non pistol like grip to help pin the rifle or help to slide the rifle back and forth. ( I used to dislike the fat borden style wrist with my puny hands but the more I shot with it on a friend's stock the more I liked it , so maybe one can get used to good products) we tried a few stocks and thought this was a good measurement to put to use.

3. thinner wrist to manhandle the stock when necessary. Hard to explain.

4. the back end is a different width than 2 other designs to get the angle of the current rear bag ears to closer fit the angle of the stock. (hard to know until we get it into different rear bags but the theory is that 2 stich or 3 stich rear bags can fit a stock better or worse depending on the fattness of the rear stock) remember the cofin style versus the round style have a different stock to bag fit depending on how full the ears are. (to say nothing of the small medium or tall style of ears)

5. the stock has some interior characteristics that I cannot explain and I hope the front end helps dappen vibration patterns better than most (but remember the talk about some stocks now being too stiff so ASAP produces a nice new stock a little different than the scoville, and the asap stock is great as well)

Now once again I am not the tech wizard but just a guy who wants to try new things. This stock should work and some will like it.

The guys that will not I know them allready. A top top shooter and I discussed some of the design characteristics and he will almost be sick to see this one as he does not like slab sided stocks at all (did I mention he does not like slab sided stocks)

so come see it in action, try it to see how it tracks. ( I might bring a junk barrel and extra rounds to let people try it if I get time mmmmmmmm maybe moly rounds so I dont have to clean it )

anyway we are excited to have a Canadian idea come to be reality.

maybe canadian stocks, canadian barrels, canadian gunsmiths for the next wordls (my lija barrel is still good though)

thinking out loud (maybe jeff buys bat machine and then move it to Canada so we have all canadian components not to self talk to Bruce to see if he accepts visa)

have fun this year, tuners, scopes, stocks and gas prices, what more could you ask for.

Jefferson

 

[Boyd Allen]

Or you can look at them directly. These are shots of the master, from which the mold is made. I think that a good name would be the Robertson BPN (Best Part of NAFTA)