Remington stinks! (sometimes)

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tlo

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Bought a new .223 LTR and I get primer flow around the firing pin like crazy shooting 55gr bullets right at the 3000fps and 69 SMK's at 2750 fps. Looks like another bolt I'll have to send to Gretan.

Tom

This is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!
 
Tom

Pretty common, really.

Remington must not see anything amiss with firing pins that have, (in our opinion), way too much clearance.. The reason I say this is because you see so many of them.

Believe it or not, the over abundance of clearance is probably within their manufacturing specs. After all, these are Hunting Rifles designed to use out of the box Factory Ammunition........jackie
 
ALL the major rifle makers for the mass market produce bolts with WAY oversized firing pin holes and way too large firing pins too. It amazes me that most makers of AR's turn them out with firing pin holes close to 0.060" and firing pins to fit. If a guy gets cratering with a pin hole that size he's got a REALLY hot load.

No reason that bolt rifle makers couldn't do the same, except that it keeps handloaders from pushing things. Oh, and laziness on the part of their engineers and manufacturing people.
 
Cratering is not a problem unless you want to load hotter... and Remington 7 & 1/2 primers will not crater as badly as all the rest.
 
I've read something, probably on a forum, in which Remington made a statement that they chamfer the firing pin hole in the bolt so the brass would have a place to flow. I've never known of any gunsmith who thought such a modification had a purpose. Corporate BS covering for sloppy tolerances?
 
Mag primers help, but may have unintended/unwanted changes in your load.
 
tlo said:
Bought a new .223 LTR and I get primer flow around the firing pin like crazy shooting 55gr bullets right at the 3000fps and 69 SMK's at 2750 fps. Looks like another bolt I'll have to send to Gretan.

Tom

This is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!
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Tom.
Get a hollands shooters supply oversize firing pin.
All steel, lighter weight, comes with a stronger spring, .
If you do it yourself make sure you have the proper tools to measure the firing pin protrusion.
Gunsmith instalation is highly recommended.
Much cheeper than a new bolt.

Chuck Furniss
Guptons Gun Shop
Henderson, N.C.
 
Why'd you buy that pos in the first place?? You could've got a one off for probably $1500-$2500 that had a snug firing pin hole. :D
 
Winchester 69 said:
I've read something, probably on a forum, in which Remington made a statement that they chamfer the firing pin hole in the bolt so the brass would have a place to flow. I've never known of any gunsmith who thought such a modification had a purpose. Corporate BS covering for sloppy tolerances?
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I threw the idea of a possible intentional chamfer out there quite some time ago ... I have never heard Remington comment on it... if it is intentional the only purpose I can think of is that primers that crater would tend to cause the reloader to think about loading any hotter...

I do know on some rifles that customers complained about Remington have not considered it a problem. .. and I have to agree in one sense with Remington... it is not a problem if a primer craters... the problem arises when a handloader starts to get on the hot end of loading and primers start to fail...

Life is a bugger if we don't have something to complain about... :D
 
Check your Remington.....

Two other areas to check are: 1. Throat length, Remingtons are known to have excessivly long throats. 2. Check and see if both bolt lugs are engaging. It is quite common to have only one lug engaging.

There are other areas to check like the barrel channel for contact with the barrel.

Nat Lambeth
 
Well Butch, really. What should he have expected?? Something made under a hollow log by elves? I've asked the question before in other forums: If REM/Win/SAV were to upgrade their wood and fit and finish. Give you a lapped barrel, etc, would you be willing to pay in the neighborhood of $500-$700 more for one of them? The answer was a resounding Noway, Jose.
The average rifle owner wants a rifle he can take out a few times each year and kill something. And if a fellow buys one of the rifles that are directed toward the mass market, he should expect to pay the extra bucks needed to make it competitive to a semi custom rifle if that's what he wants. If you like Remingtons, and I do, turn it over to a smith that specializes in aftermarket work on Rems, and there are a bunch of them, and have him shim the bolt hole or replace the firing pin or replace the obscene bolt lock or whatever it takes to bring it up to a level of estetics or function that suits you. But why acted surprised or angered because the mass produced rifle looks mass produced? :confused:
 
I`ve never seen any bolt faces with chamfered firing pin holes, from any manufacturer. Try a different primer manufacturer first. While you may find it annoying.. Basicly its a none issue.. Primers are used only once, than discarded. As far as loading Hot.. why try to make a 308 into a 30-06.. why try to make a 30-06 into a 300 Win Mag.. Buy the cartridge with the performance your seeking in the first place.

Check out this Rifle Primer Dimension Chart.. If the cup shows the same thickness.. try a different brand.. as the hardness, toughness may be different.

http://www.jamescalhoon.com/primers_and_pressure.php
 
Winchester 69 said:
I've read something, probably on a forum, in which Remington made a statement that they chamfer the firing pin hole in the bolt so the brass would have a place to flow. I've never known of any gunsmith who thought such a modification had a purpose. Corporate BS covering for sloppy tolerances?
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You may be referring to a post on 6mmbr.com where an armorer teaching a class claimed that Remington had indeed begun chamfering the pin hole in the bolt face. This was not more than 3 months ago.
 
Chamfer

I can't recall as ever seening one with a chamfer, I haven't looked at a new one in a while.

I have seen them with a gosh awful lot of clearance,, off center, and rough as heck, right out of the box. This leads shooters to come up to a more experienced shooter and ask, "I read where a cratered primer was a sign of too much pressure. Well, I am shooting Factory Ammo in my new 700".......

I am beginning to think that the only time that a primer crater is a good indication of pressure is in a Custom Action built to exacting standards........jackie
 
beemanbeme said:
Well Butch, really. What should he have expected?? Something made under a hollow log by elves? I've asked the question before in other forums: If REM/Win/SAV were to upgrade their wood and fit and finish. Give you a lapped barrel, etc, would you be willing to pay in the neighborhood of $500-$700 more for one of them? The answer was a resounding Noway, Jose.
The average rifle owner wants a rifle he can take out a few times each year and kill something. And if a fellow buys one of the rifles that are directed toward the mass market, he should expect to pay the extra bucks needed to make it competitive to a semi custom rifle if that's what he wants. If you like Remingtons, and I do, turn it over to a smith that specializes in aftermarket work on Rems, and there are a bunch of them, and have him shim the bolt hole or replace the firing pin or replace the obscene bolt lock or whatever it takes to bring it up to a level of estetics or function that suits you. But why acted surprised or angered because the mass produced rifle looks mass produced? :confused:
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Don't pay any attention to him Butch, you know how those guys from Tennessee are....hey, wait a minute! :D :D :D
 
jackie schmidt said:
I can't recall as ever seening one with a chamfer, I haven't looked at a new one in a while.

I have seen them with a gosh awful lot of clearance,, off center, and rough as heck, right out of the box. This leads shooters to come up to a more experienced shooter and ask, "I read where a cratered primer was a sign of too much pressure. Well, I am shooting Factory Ammo in my new 700".......

I am beginning to think that the only time that a primer crater is a good indication of pressure is in a Custom Action built to exacting standards........jackie
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Here is a picture I just took from an action I am working on...that does not look like an accident.
It looks like Remington meant to do it.. ?
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never seen it on Rems

While Remingtons are poopy I have used their rifles w/o any flow into the firing pin holes, however those were olders units. I would try a different primer since that's so cheap.
 
Well, I sent the bolt out to Gre'-Tan Rifles last tuesday and it was back this tuesday, can't ask for better than that!

Tom
 
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