Remington 707 rifle

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Roy Allain

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Anyone care to comment on this new Rem rifle?

My neighbor bought one several weeks ago in 270 cal. It looks sort of cheap, but then again, what do I know. It has a 3 lug bolt.

The bolt looks a bit cheap also, but it is very tight in the raceways with hardly any movement until the bolt is all the way back. The shroud looks like plastic. The ejection port is rounded, almost oval at each end. The action looks very sturdy. From the outside.

We're planning on taking the rifle apart this weekend to see what goes. I also don't see a recoil lug in front of the action and assume it is built in to the action. I'll find out Saturday.

He shot it last Friday and some of the factory ammo (I don't remember which brand) had super flat primers. He said those recoiled much harder than the others he shot.

There were other pressure signs on the brass at the web area, especially what looks like separation rings on most of the rounds with flat primers.

None of the other ammo showed any signs of excess pressures. At first, I was thinking that perhaps there was a machining mark in the chamber approximating where the rings shows on the brass. Later, I discounted this since none of the other brass showed signs of a ring. Hence, excess pressure.

This is why I prefer to load my own rounds. You never know what's inside of factory ammo.

Thanks for any comments

Roy
 
It says 707 on the box and on the action

I can't find anything that says 770. Not to say it isn't a 770, but there is nothing about a 770, including the advertising, etc.

I'll hopefully find out more this weekend when we take the rifle apart.

Roy
 
I seriously doubt that Remington would market a firearm that was not safe out of the box. So, whatever it's caliber, I'd have no reservations about seeing how well it shoots. Inasmuch as it's a hunting rifle and not a "same hole" target rifle it doesn't need to shoot 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. I suspect they're trying to see how much market share they can get with a safe but inexpensive rifle that shoots well enough to take down game at a few hundred yards and that they can package with a scope for under $400. It ain't my kind of rifle but I'll be there's a spot for it in the once a year hunter's world.
 
You got that right

OldPPC said:
I seriously doubt that Remington would market a firearm that was not safe out of the box. So, whatever it's caliber, I'd have no reservations about seeing how well it shoots. Inasmuch as it's a hunting rifle and not a "same hole" target rifle it doesn't need to shoot 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. I suspect they're trying to see how much market share they can get with a safe but inexpensive rifle that shoots well enough to take down game at a few hundred yards and that they can package with a scope for under $400. It ain't my kind of rifle but I'll be there's a spot for it in the once a year hunter's world.
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I don't like the rifle. I looks cheap. Period.

But what do you want for $329.00. With a scope. Which is also cheap.

But I still don't see anything about a model 707. The 770 looks sorta like my neighbors rifle, but his is a 707. If there is a difference, why doesn't Remington say so.

And I'm still concerned about the ring at the base of some of the brass.

I cut one of them up today and couldn't find anything inside the case. That's comforting, but as I told Milton, maybe when we reload the cases, one of them may burst.

Roy
 
?????

I don't see anything anywhere on the Net, or anyplace else, about a Rem 707. I also don't see anything about a Rem 3-lug action.

Strange. Keep us informed as to what animal your friend has.

As for the pressure, I see shooters at our local range shooting bone stock Remingtons with Factory ammo, and some of the primers are so flat, and I mean flat with a capitol "F", that you would think the loads are too hot. But, thousands of shooters shoot these every year. Go figure........jackie
 
The 770 is a safe, functional, cheap rifle. Good thing for a young kid to buy for deer hunting or for one of us to buy to loan to a bro-in-law that wants to try hunting.
I think that the Savage 340s were really ugly but I know old fellers that stacked up a lot of deer and elk with them, in 30-30, too. The 222s were great "tractor" guns for shooting fox and yotes.
BTW, the 770 is made in America, too.
 
Cut out too much & quote thingie didn't work

jackie schmidt said:
I don't see anything anywhere on the Net, or anyplace else, about a Rem 707. I also don't see anything about a Rem 3-lug action.
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Jackie,

Straight from Remington (my emphasis):

Model 770™ Features
Realtree® AP™ HD™ camo synthetic stock design on with molded sling swivel studs on the stainless model.

Stainless barrel with nickel-plated action & bolt

Factory mounted and bore-sighted 3-9x40mm scope

Easy-camming 60 degree bolt

........

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_770.asp

John
 
Oh

I was looking for "707", as the originol inquiry was about. I just missed the "easy cammimg 60 degree bolt' on the right hand side of the 770 add.

I better start reading closer.:rolleyes:........jackie
 
Deer hunting buddy got a 710 in 30-06 from his sons for a present a couple of years ago. At that time they paid a little over $200 for it at Wal-Mart. It shoots under 1 MOA.
 
old idea

Remingtonm copied the Omark Austaian design here. The lugs are actually in the barrel not the action. Easier production I am told.
 
Not necessarily easier production, but different requirement for components.

The Omark (it actually started out as a Sportco) used the Remington firing pin design & (beefed up single shot) body with a bolt that locked into the back of the barrel. That was coupled with detachable three lug boltheads of graded sizes like the No 4 Enfield & similarly graded recoil plates, which meant that about any competent person with a couple of purpose designed clamshell clamps could do a barrel change in half an hour or less & achieve acceptable headspacing.

From the manufacturer viewpoint, the barrel lug manufacture was a tad problimatical until MAB took over the operation late in the action's history & did a bit better job of indexing the tube for the various processes. However, the big benefit was that the bolt body & the action body didn't have to be high quality (expensive) heat treated metal - just the back of the barrel & the bolthead. There was a downside to this & that was that primary extraction became less or zilch as the root of the bolt handle wore, but that could be adjusted with a dab of well dressed off weld on the mating action body ramp.

The rifle was an absolute necessity for Australia at the time when target rifle was converting from .303 to 7.62 ammunition. While other Commonwealth countries made do with converted Mauser & Enfields (both the front & rear lockers), Australia didn't have that ready pool of surplus left over from WWII. In any case, by designing & manufacturing from scratch, we were able to get a modern rifle out to every shooter at a very acceptable price, far better than the cost of cobbling up one offs from surplus, or even worse, using expensive commercial actions. If my memory serves me correctly, a ready to shoot Sportco cost around $73.00 in the seventies, less than a third of the price of a Remington or Sako rifle.

For some time, Sprtco/Omark had exclusive access to the rebarrelling market, until Shultz & Larsen, Ferlach & other European manufacturers provided for the market (after the rifle penetrated into the British market). With the advent of stainless steel as a common barrel material, first Maddco, then others designed adaptors containing lugs, barrel thread & in most cases recoil lugs that screwed into the action body so that any aftermarket barrel could be used.

Technology has overtaken the action now, though probably ¼ of all target rifles used in Australia would still be based on the action thirty odd years after its launch.
 
Sportco 44

I am familiar with them as I have a sportco 44 which I installed a Truflight conversion to take "standard barrels". I have had barrels ship to me from Australia years ago. I shot it in 2009 compete with the Central rearsight.
 
omark 44

Howdy!
What kind of accuracy are these rifles capable of? 12 or 13 years ago I bought a near mint 40xb in 7.62 Nato from a gunshop that had recieved a collection of target rifles to liquidate. An older gentleman from New Jersey was having major health problems and had to sell 30 or more fine target rifles.

There were several 40xb's, some sleeved. Several Winchester 52's, including a mint E. National Match 1903 Springfield, NM M1, etc., just a bunch of good guns. As I was looking around, one of the guys that worked there said that the owner told him that the best shooter out of all of them was the Omark 44.
That surprised me, as I was unfamiliar with them.

I have had several Swedish Mausers in various configurations that have shot all out of proportion to what people think they can do. I had a couple of CG 63 target Swedes, that going through the irons, outshot the 40x.:eek::confused::eek:

I always wondered about the Omark 44 if it were a similar critter regarding accuracy. So, how do they do/

Greg
 
Omark/Sportco 44

I have won several palma matches with mine. I have been able to get every barrel and several stock combinations I have used with them to produce raged hole 10 shot groups at 100 yards ( testing) and nice groups all the wayout to 1,000 yards.
 
I'll do that as soon as I can Jackie

jackie schmidt said:
I don't see anything anywhere on the Net, or anyplace else, about a Rem 707. I also don't see anything about a Rem 3-lug action. Strange. Keep us informed as to what animal your friend has.

As for the pressure, I see shooters at our local range shooting bone stock Remingtons with Factory ammo, and some of the primers are so flat, and I mean flat with a capitol "F", that you would think the loads are too hot. But, thousands of shooters shoot these every year. Go figure........jackie
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My neighbor is out of town until after Thanksgiving. We'll take it apart then and see what we can see. It's definitely a 3 lug bolt though. I was really surprised to see that.

Will get back next week.

Roy
 
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