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Kano

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Do competition dies really make a difference for accuracy, over standard dies?

I think a better rest is the ticket besides a tuned rifle, barrel and bedded action.
 
Kano,
That all depends on what your shooting.
If your shooting a gun with a SAMI chamber then you would be correct.
Otherwise they are all important.
Also it depends on whether you are competing or shooting for your own enjoyment.
You will get varying degrees of opinions about concentric ammo and its importance and to what tolerance the the problems start or disappear at.
Giving more info can help answer the question you pose.
 
I have a .243 winchester. Basically I'm shooting for enjoyment, varmint long range. The rifle is bedded at the recoli lug. It has a Douglass extra heavy bull barrel, 09 Argentine action and a 3-9x42 Tasco scope.
 
Kano, you're asking the wrong question.

Ask yourself...."How could a die, ANY die be "better?" What am I hoping to make better? And how could a die accomplish this???" (BTW SAAMI has NOTHING to do with it. And the only Sami are a race of dark Lapp reindeer herders living north of the Arctic Circle.... ;) )

as far as your other opinions..... what's a "better rest?"

IMO you can't tune an '09 Argentine but bedding the action should show an accuracy gain if done correctly. Finding someone willing to do it correctly make take some research.

al
 
Vern said:
Kano,
That all depends on what your shooting.
If your shooting a gun with a SAMI chamber then you would be correct.
Otherwise they are all important.
Also it depends on whether you are competing or shooting for your own enjoyment.
You will get varying degrees of opinions about concentric ammo and its importance and to what tolerance the the problems start or disappear at.
Giving more info can help answer the question you pose.
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I disagree with all of this

al
 
In order to properly answer your question, we need more information...rifle, caliber, current dies used, current accuracy, accuracy goal, etc. Generally, the better dies are a match to the chamber, the better the results will be, but die manufacturers have to make their dies such that they will work with the smallest factory chambers, and the thinnest necks. Therein lies the rub. If you tell us more, you will get more specific guidance.
 
Kano said:
Do competition dies really make a difference for accuracy, over standard dies?
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Straight [on axis] dies ... regardless of competition or standard, make a difference when it comes to accuracy.
 
abintx said:
Straight [on axis] dies ... regardless of competition or standard, make a difference when it comes to accuracy.
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Other than folks who hone or modify after the fact...... how could any die be manufactured crooked?

al
 
Mixed Feeling about this. In books written by very notable shooters, they have entire chapters covering dies, and how you should only go with the best.

Then, they make statements like ".002-,003 runnout is a non issue".

Having a set of dies that size the case properly, controle the seating depth properly, and produce reasonanbly straight rounds should certailny help the overall effort in solving the Accuracy Equation. .........jackie
 
Ok,

As I understand it a typical die is threaded, bored and honed in one setup. It would be harder to MAKE one crookedy than to let it come out straight.

So then you might flip it over and bore a seat for a set of buttons (neck bushings) but other than that???

IMO this whole "the more you spend the better it gets" thing just doesn't hold water.

It's about fit, that's it.

"concentricity" and "linearity" are givens.

If you have fit, and the brainpower of a goat it's automatic.






I first found my faith shaken when I was 14yrs or so. My 'mentor,' the local reloading/shooting guru was totally jazzed, he'd just located a real gem..... a Hollywood reloading press!!!

DUDE!! he was EXCITED!! Fired right up...."he was gonna' load the straightest, the mostest concentricest the most ACCURATest ammo ever known to man!!!"

"THIS bad boy was so wicked straight and hellfer stout a monkey couldn't help but make the bestest ammo ever...."

"My guns are gonna' shoot like never before..."

etc

etc

So we LUGS this mostrosity down basement and BOLTS it to a customized bench made from a hunk of railroad trestle..... and WOW, I mean....

"so how do we use this thing?"

"Ohhh, it's easy. Screw a die in the top, stuff a shellholder in the bottom and HAVE AT IT!!!"

This thing's got a 3" diameter ram on it. It's so wicked straight it hurts to look at it, it warps spacetime just a little.

It can't HELP but make straight ammo right???





Soooooo, all you'se "real" machinists out there......We're gonna' use a similar setup to machine a simple series of parts. Maybe a run of 50 liddle hydraulic shafts...... We'll use this new quick-change system.

Works like this........ What you DO is, you SCREW a hunk of steel threaded 7/8X14 into a hole in the middle of the faceplate, bottom it out on a ring you've clamped around the threads . . . . . then (Here's the really good part!) SLIDE the other end into a horsehoe shaped "holder" and proceed. . . . .spin that sonafabuck right up there eh!


completely ludicrous.



Use the freakin' reloading press for what it's designed for. It's a simple leverage device, a RAM the stuffs the case up into the die and pulls it back out.

Job done.

Ain't NO PRESS nor reloading die ever "straightened NUTTIN'!!!


al
 
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