Ratchet-v-Polyogon

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Hambone

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Time to be thinking about a new barrel for an old friend.

Decisions, decisions......

What to choose and why ??
 
You all know the poster asking the question, which sounds innocuous, but probably isn't. Let's disappoint him and have a good, polite, sane discussion of the relative merits of each -- if, indeed, there is an difference of significance between them.

If we do that, two things will happen: (1) it may well disappoint him, and (2) someone else might learn something.
 
My solution was to buy one of each. Killough has them in stock.
Keep the one that shoots the best.
 
Conventional rifling my friend! It still works like it has for more than a hundred years. It lasts longer. My point of view.

John M. Carper
 
Charles E said:
You all know the poster asking the question, which sounds innocuous, but probably isn't. Let's disappoint him and have a good, polite, sane discussion of the relative merits of each -- if, indeed, there is an difference of significance between them.

If we do that, two things will happen: (1) it may well disappoint him, and (2) someone else might learn something.
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Now look who's being insulting? A site infringement surely? Tut tut from a Super Moderator to boot!

Honest enquire folks with an honest interest.
 
ErnieJ said:
My solution was to buy one of each. Killough has them in stock.
Keep the one that shoots the best.
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Funds don't stretch that far unfortunately and I can't afford to scrap a barrel. Not sure what you can do with the one that doesn't work.
 
Carp said:
Conventional rifling my friend! It still works like it has for more than a hundred years. It lasts longer. My point of view.

John M. Carper
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John

You say conventional rifling lasts longer. I was under the impression that Polyogon rifling hadn't been in the .22 market long enough to determine its longevity in that format.. I know it needs to be kept ultra clean but most shooters do that anyway with their competition rifles. Don't they? I'm not sure if thats the same with Ratchets though.

Can you expand on your first post please.
 
Sadly, there is no scientific laboratory attached to BR Central to exhaustively analyze and quantify barrel characteristics. You'll have to accept generalizations. So, proper response is "thank you" rather than "but."

Or do you mean no one's bickering yet?
 
I'm happy to accept generalisations.But have always felt that understanding the basis for those generalisations is beneficial to all . Other wise its a matter of buying a pig in a poke.

Continually suggested proper responses don't really work, do they? Sauce for the goose is not always gravy for the gander. You say potato, I say tomato. A little more self reflection perhaps and a little less stirring of the pot.
 
John

You say conventional rifling lasts longer. I was under the impression that Polyogon rifling hadn't been in the .22 market long enough to determine its longevity in that format.. I know it needs to be kept ultra clean but most shooters do that anyway with their competition rifles. Don't they? I'm not sure if thats the same with Ratchets though.

Can you expand on your first post please.

Hambone,
Imagine that a bullet needs stability going out the barrel. How much is insignificant in the fact that the more you have the more you get....understand? Cut off or lap out half that stability and you get half the life...right? I ain't talking polygonal....canted or ratchet lands. Polygonal is still a mystery to me...no experience. I can tell you this...I might have witnessed a "hummer of hummers" barrel end its life this weekend.....I hope not....it was the best of the best.

John M. Carper
 
John,
Sorry to hear about your barrel. What is it, and how many rounds have gone through it? Oh, and I hope that your are wrong and it is some sort of cleaning issue.
Boyd
 
Boyd....I guess without knowing for sure but speculation is is as bad as assumption.....without divulging too much.....I might have witnessed the "death" of a barrel....that is the best information I can give you without knowing for sure....A great price was paid for it's accuracy and purchase.....and a short life of success was achieved.....most of us want that kind of success....but so short lived...could we even begin to get that if we were in his place a second time around.

Carp
 
I'd be more than a little surprised if that was the case, I've never heard of a barrel just suddenly stopping. More likely unintended damage or chamber/throat fouling are likely suspects.
 
Carp said:
John

You say conventional rifling lasts longer. I was under the impression that Polyogon rifling hadn't been in the .22 market long enough to determine its longevity in that format.. I know it needs to be kept ultra clean but most shooters do that anyway with their competition rifles. Don't they? I'm not sure if thats the same with Ratchets though.

Can you expand on your first post please.

Hambone,
Imagine that a bullet needs stability going out the barrel. How much is insignificant in the fact that the more you have the more you get....understand? Cut off or lap out half that stability and you get half the life...right? I ain't talking polygonal....canted or ratchet lands. Polygonal is still a mystery to me...no experience. I can tell you this...I might have witnessed a "hummer of hummers" barrel end its life this weekend.....I hope not....it was the best of the best.

John M. Carper
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John

Gotta ya!

Where are you regarding the thought that its almost impossible to shoot out a .22r/f barrel.
 
Shoot out a Barrel - No way!
Abuse a Barrel so it does not shoot - done ever day!
Ask "Old Blue"
(Excess of 200,000 Rounds and still trucking!)
Food For Thought
 
Let me answer the OP's question first

I personally like the Polygon since I believe the lack of sharp edges within the bore is better. I think it stays cleaner longer, and I believe that polygonal bores are more forgiving of inconsistancies in twist rate.

Now for the rest of you. All these posts and I've only seen one other opinion to the OP's question. The rest are either off track, or replies insinuating the OP is trolling, if so why do you bite? If I were a moderator I would probably delete the second post it has absollutly no relavence to the question.
 
CliffA said:
If I were a moderator I would probably delete the second post it has absollutly no relavence to the question.
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Actually, it was mine, and I am a moderator. The only relevance is the context BR Central found itself in at the time the OP made the post. There is another forum, Rimfire Accuracy, where many who post for any length of time tend to follow the percepts of Bill Calfee.

One of Calfees tenants is that there are problems with cut-rifle barrels. It is hard to know exactly what Bill Calfee is thinking, that is, problems under what conditions? If all he means is that he prefers not to use them, no big deal. But rimfire BR is a bit fractured right now, and Bill Calfee is notorious for not giving complete information.

In the meantime, Gordon Eck proved, through enough rifles he built, that there is nothing wrong with cut rifle barrels. His rifles win. Whether or not as much as Calfee, I don't know -- that is at some level a statistical matter, and Calfee's been at it a long time. Suffice it to say that enough Eck rifles have done well enough to prove a point, which shouldn't have come as a surprise in any case.

Mix that with the notion that some off the Eck people were apparently kicked of Rimfire Accuracy. So they say, and I'm in no position to doubt the claim.

Into that context comes a post from someone who has more than once phrased questions worded to stir up debate -- particularly acrimonious debate. He doesn't adhere to the rules of BR Central. For example, he just posted a topic that was bound to bring up politics, which are banned on BR Central. His excuse was that politics are a part of life, and he wants to talk about them. But it's the forums call, not his. After political posts were made, I deleted the entire thread. He reposts it. Same series of events.

Given the animosity between Rimfire Accuracy and some of the people who can't abide Bill Calfee, the topic chosen, and the person who posted, I thought it a fair warning. Been wrong before & I'll be wrong again, but not as often as some think.
 
why play

Charles,
I know exactly where you were coming from, and I know you’re a moderator, I read the forums daily, I know the people that post to intentionally stir up debate, as well as those that seem to thrive on the drama. If you will watch you will see that it’s always the same people posting inappropriate replies to the seemingly trolling questions as well as leading things off track to stir a new stink into a post. Keep feeding them and they will keep coming back is all I’m saying. That’s why I ask again, why take the bait?
 
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