Proposed FUN-fire (factory class) target for 50/50

[Bill Wynne]

This is the target that we have been using at our San Angelo Gun Club for new shooters who have a factory rifle and do not yet have a serious custom 22 benchrest rifle.

The paper is the same size as the regular 50/50 target (14 X 17) but the scoring rings are about twice the size.

We have tried this for one match, with Wilbur's permission, and it added a lot of interest. The better scores with factory rifles were 240 to 245.

We believe that we can increase our match attendance and interest with this new target and eventually get more new shooters shooting the regular 50/50 with us.

What are your thoughts on this?

Concho Bill

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[crb]

What are the rules for the front rest and rear bag. Me and a bud were discussing a newbie class and we wondered if limiting it to hunting type folding bipods or soft front bags would decrease the cost enough to make it worth while. Then you have the issue of having to reset the gun for each bull and the hand fatigue that would come into play from squeezing the rear bag over the course of a match.

 

[Bill Wynne]

What are the rules for the front rest and rear bag.

We have as few rules as possible. As for as the benchrest, one piece or two piece. They can use a bipod or they could set the rifle on a sandbag or even a brick. The idea is to get new shooters started into rimfire benchrest.

The main rule is that the rifle have a matching factory barrel and action without a tuner. No limits on scope, stock, trigger, or ammo.

Although the rule is not yet written, we expect anyone shooting consistently 247 or above to move up to the big leagues.

We have a few of these targets that we can spare in groups of 100 for clubs to try out.

Concho Bill

 

[Bill Wynne]

I have been getting replies and orders by PM and personal contact. Let me know if you would like some for your club so I can determine if we need to print more.

Thanks,

Concho Bill

hab@wcc.net

 

[deadwooddick]

Gotta lead newbies by the hand !

FWIW

… UL50/50, I think

doesn't cut it.

Either provide a link to (or quote) those 50/50 UL Rules. Seems this proposal is directed straight at newbies and it's unreasonable to expect them to know (or be able to find) WHICH organization's rules apply by searching "50/50 UL."

OTOH, guess I could move to San Angelo.

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[TangoTwo]

Here's your quote:

"50/50 rules apply except for the following additions and/or changes:

Unlimited scope, unlimited weight, any rest is legal, and pistols are legal. Gun and/or rest cannot be attached to the bench. No electronic or mechanically assisted triggers"


Link can be found on the home page here at Benchrest Central, click on the IR50/50 logo.

Ken

 

[TangoTwo]

Or; You could move to San Angelo.

 

[Bill Wynne]

FWIW doesn't cut it.

Either provide a link to (or quote) those 50/50 UL Rules. Seems this proposal is directed straight at newbies and it's unreasonable to expect them to know (or be able to find) WHICH organization's rules apply by searching "50/50 UL."

OTOH, guess I could move to San Angelo.

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Deadwooddick,

Let me correct you in a nice way. This proposal is directed toward rimfire benchrest shooters who are at the top of their game and have equipment that would intimidate a newcomer. We are the same guys who wonder how we can reverse the trend of the number of shooters at our matches.

We think this proposal is a step in the right direction.

FUN -fire matches are to be shot along side of our regular 50/50 matches in the hopes of giving the newer shooter an introduction to rimfire benchrest that would not be their last.

You are welcome always at our matches at our range in San Angelo. You don't have to move here to shoot with us.

Concho Bill

 

[martin hammond]

Bill, here's the rules at fort hand put on by Jim Peightal that target you are proposing would be good for new shooters.

 

[Kent Owens]

Bill,
I have to ask this question because I know someone out there is thinking it. If you shoot the 2 different matches along side each other, how do you know someone shooting UL isn't shooting some shots on his old buddy's fun fire target to help him along. There is no way you an monitor it during a match.

I bring this up because it HAS been mentioned in the past when someone wanted to shoot his heavy rifle along side the sporter class rifles. The answer was No you cannot.

 

[Bill Wynne]

Bill,
I have to ask this question because I know someone out there is thinking it. If you shoot the 2 different matches along side each other, how do you know someone shooting UL isn't shooting some shots on his old buddy's fun fire target to help him along. There is no way you an monitor it during a match.

I bring this up because it HAS been mentioned in the past when someone wanted to shoot his heavy rifle along side the sporter class rifles. The answer was No you cannot.

I am not worried about this. Besides, how about the guy next to the UL shooter shooting on his target?

Life is short. Now worry about something else

Concho Bill

 

[Kent Owens]

I'm not worried about it. I think you missed the point.

 

[Bill Wynne]

I'm not worried about it. I think you missed the point.

Kent,

It is just a game. You are kidding?

I have no friends who would care to win such a minor game by those methods. However, this being Texas, we would just string both of 'em up.

That would be justified.

Concho Bill

 

[Kent Owens]

Bill,
It's commendable that you're doing something to encourage new shooters. We definitely don't have enough shooters as it is. Best of luck and I hope it works well. I do like your target.

 

[2Dogs]

Tuners

Why not allow Tuners? I seems to me allowing tuners will incite confidence for the new guys or gals. Plus, when they get ready to move up in class, they will have just a little more knowledge about that kind of equipment used at the next level. Just a thought. Oh...The target looks great!

Charlie

 

[Bill Wynne]

Why not allow Tuners? I seems to me allowing tuners will incite confidence for the new guys or gals. Plus, when they get ready to move up in class, they will have just a little more knowledge about that kind of equipment used at the next level. Just a thought. Oh...The target looks great!

Charlie

Charlie,

I really don't know.

My thought on the scope was the same as yours with the tuner.

The thought on stock work is that it would not make a great deal of difference, other than the bedding.

I like the idea of the shooter giving himself all the advantage that he can by simple tinkering.

I guess that I am afraid that seeing tuners on the end of other rifles would scare a newcomer off. otherwise, I am open to the idea if others like it.

Concho Bill

Bill,
It's commendable that you're doing something to encourage new shooters. We definitely don't have enough shooters as it is. Best of luck and I hope it works well. I do like your target.

Thanks Kent,

There is nothing more satisfying than seeing a new shooter having fun at a match with new friends. I like this sport.

Concho Bill

 

[Wilbur]

I'm not worried about it. I think you missed the point.

Guys that never think about ways to "beat the system" will miss that point every time. I don't think it was ever a genuine concern but rather a perceived concern. Thing is, a perceived concern trumps a genuine concern in every case.

 

[turmite]

Guys that never think about ways to "beat the system" will miss that point every time. I don't think it was ever a genuine concern but rather a perceived concern. Thing is, a perceived concern trumps a genuine concern in every case.

Wilbur aren't rules there to set the upward limit of what may be tried? I have never tried to beat the system but I have always pushed the limits to the max. My question, is why not?

For instance: "The main rule is that the rifle have a matching factory barrel and action without a tuner" I would interpret that to say that the factory barrel and action have to be used. It does not say however, that they may not be altered. A little truing, tuning, recrown, rechamber to a tight match chamber, and you have a factory barrel and action without a tuner that will shoot pretty good!

If you want them to be unlatered, they that needs to be included.

"The rifle must have factory barrel and action unaltered in any way."

I don't care what level you compete at, you need hard and fast rules. Ambivelent rules will always yeild confusion.

Mike

 

[Kent Owens]

Wilbur,
I agree that it was a "perceived concern" that was mentioned to me one time, and it hadn't crossed my mind. However, since someone mentioned it it might have concerned some folks, at some time, or at all times, or not at all, maybe, i.e,gg, etc. erc..
I'm all for what Bill's doing with the Funfire target and the game. I hope it helps more shooters to participate. We're all in this shooting thang together, whatever target we're shooting.

 

[2Dogs]

Bill, Whatever you Guys decide on the rules for the FunFire, I hope it goes over very well. Something like this has needed to be done for years. There is tens of thousands of fun shooters out there. I am one of them...We tinker with bedding, triggers and making sure the barrels are floated, All on factory rifles. Some of us are using tuners. I am one of 7 guys that has been shooting against each other for over 20 yrs. The factory rifles we use are pretty diverce, they include,Some Russions, Savage MKII's, Marlin's, Rem 40-x, Win 52's Annies, Ruger 77/22's, BRNO's And the acasional 10/22. All have the factory barrels and actions (x-cept for the Rugers). Scopes are mostly Weaver 36x, Loopies 24x, 36x and 45x45 with some Tasco 24x and 36x's. Anyway there is alot of us out here that love to shoot rimfire. I wish Y'all the best of luck in the future of FunFire.

Charlie