Primer manufacture and shortages

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I got to thinking on the unusual shortages of primers in the last few years. I'd figured this was largely due to contracts for military ammo, but there are probably other reasons.

When we were discussing shortages of components during WW2 and how some smaller companies were formed to supply bullets for handloaders, and how these companies are still in business, the thought came to me that a smaller company producing high quality primers for civilian target shooters and handloaders might be less prone to the sort of interuptions in supply that we've seen in recent years.

I suppose that licensing in handling sensitive explosives and toxic materials would be a major hurdle. Bullets are no danger by themselves, but I have read of a disasterous dockside explosion involving US manufacture boxer primers that once lead to the British passing a law against shipping boxer primers with the anvil pre seated, anvils then being inserted at ammo factories after delivery.
Less unstable compounds no doubt made this law obsolete, but with liability insurance and the EPA a smaller company might run into problems not readily apparent.
Then again a smaller company couldn't hope to compete price wise unless they came up with some leap forwards in technology and produced a product that was worth the extra it would cost.

Any ideas on this?

Are there any companies around that cater to precision shooters, and don't depend on imports or larger companies to manufacture their primers?
 
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Maybe if there weren't so many corporate mergers, there wouldn't be this so called shortage.
That said, Lets stop the hoarding.
Then there the political issues etc etc.
It doesn't stop with primers either/''''''
 
I'm not sure what constitutes hoarding, but buying and having on hand a few thousand primers for use I don't believe constitutes hoarding. I no longer shoot competitively, some will testify that I never really did, but having a year or two supply of primers for one's own use isn't denying anyone else primers.

Maybe those who clean out a store's stock are guilty of hoarding, but most of us aren't.
 
Who cares in the first place, it's your money. You want to but a lot of a quarter million at a time, go for it. It's the American way and screw Washington. Gripping about hoarding sounds so un american I can ever get over the people that grip about it.


If you have the money you would be first in line to buy as many as you can.
 
Who cares in the first place, it's your money. You want to but a lot of a quarter million at a time, go for it. It's the American way and screw Washington. Gripping about hoarding sounds so un american I can ever get over the people that grip about it.


If you have the money you would be first in line to buy as many as you can.

Truth............



Looks like the Russians are gonna capitalize on the US primer manufactures inability to both equipt the US military and civilian markets...
The market is huge and so is demand.


Say'n this, what do all have to say about price gouging...? $45.00++ per 1k.
Hum.............................................:confused:

It's gouging if there wholesale price is well under 25.00 per 1k........

Is Gouging the American way...? Capitolism...? Well, just ask the Oil producers, sure they think it's OK.......:rolleyes:

cale
 
Gouging or not, I wish I could find 5 or 10 thousand 210M's of the same lot to get gouged on!
 
I think you'll find

that those Russian primers have been in the pipeline a long time and appeared at a convenient time for whoever is distributing them. Any components aren't made instantly. The makers have to order the components for their finished product, etc, etc. I must say I wish I could buy 10,000 Winchester Small Rifle primers though. I won't get caught again without them :(
 
I would figure that the accident that befell the inventor of Pyrodex might be a factor should anyone choose to attempt to set up a small primer manufacturing plant.

The processes for making the compositions seem straight forwards and reasonbly safe.

Perhaps if an established bullet manufacturer became intersested in marketing an in house primer to complement their other products it might get off the ground.
 
Gouging or not, I wish I could find 5 or 10 thousand 210M's of the same lot to get gouged on!

Tony, as of tonight Gene Sears (3rd Generation Shooter Supply) still has 34k 210Ms. I justed checked their inventory on the web. Problem is they limit you to 2k per order. That makes the hazmat fee pretty high. But if a guy is wanting them bad enough, this is a small start.

And they have 475k Fed205s at $30.57/k. Not bad in todays market.

Tim

http://store.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/browse.cfm/2,3716.html
 
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Thanks Tim,

Maybe I can give him a call tomorrow and talk him out of 5k.
 
Taking advantage? Some are, local range shop is asking (and getting) $65 for 1K on any BR primer. Good for them, but I won't be buying from them.

So even with a hazmat fee, most mail order seems a better deal. Had to wait 2 months for some Rem 71/2, took 6 months for some CCI 400 ordered at the same time.

Good new now is I am set for a couple of years, but plan to replenish in about 6-10 months no matter what the trend is then. Some powder is almost as bad.
 
I've seen cases for calibers that normally use a Large Rifle size primer that are manufactured to use a Small Rifle size primer. Apparently for more precise ignition, though not sure how that works.
If so , and since Small Rifle size were not in short supply here for some reason, would it be possible to find cases like this for very many chamberings of more common sporting cartridges?

Perhaps theres a greater demand for LR primers due to the full power MG and LMGs in use today, though I'd have thought that 5.56mm was doing most of the lead laying in the type of fighting we hear most about. Still I suppose one 7.62 Mini Gun can lay out more lead in five minutes than a rifle company armed with 5.56 rifles could in a day.

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After a quick look around the net it seems that in some areas Small rifle Primers are in short supply with Large Rifle still available, while in other areas Large rifle is the size hardest to find, as is the case here.
Locally more handloading seems directed towards the larger calibers, a lot of that in older military chamberings that aren't as easy to find in fresh loaded rounds as it once was.
I figure that the specific type of primers that are hardest to find are those most in demand by shooters in those locals.
 
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I currently have on hand about 4-5 thousand small rifle primers. Enought for at least 2-3 years. I just ran across a store that had some CCI SRP for $27/K. I bought another 1K. Just to add to my supply. Never know when the supply will get worse. I have found the CCI SRP to be equal to the Fed 205.
 
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