Pondering a terminal illness

MColeman

Club Coordinator
Since the news of Shelley's illness became public I've been doing a lot of thinking. I've only met Shelley once when he camped next to me at Manatee range at a benchrest match. I liked him very much from the little time we had together.

We've all had close friends who have gone through what Shelley is facing. I had a friend here in Greenville who owned Hunter's Hideout, a great gun shop/sporting goods store. Many who visit here have been in the store when it was in business.

The owner, Ed Fuller, retired from Monsanto and opened up the store simply because he enjoyed it. Ed began to notice that he felt badly and didn't have much energy. After tests it was discovered he had lung cancer of the type caused by working around asbestos. When he was no longer able to go to the store he asked me and another friend to stop by and visit him at his home.

It turned out that when Ed's daughter was young she became seriously ill and Ed made God a promise that if He would let Sharon live that he, Ed, would do such and such. Now, facing his own death Ed was distraught because he thought that he had not lived up to his end of the bargain and he felt that God might hold it against him.

I'm not a 'SuperSaint' but I've been a Christian since 1980 and spiritual matters are on my mind quite a bit and, as it happened, I had thought about such a matter. I am convinced, and I reminded Ed Fuller of this, that it is impossible for us to disappoint God. For that to happen it would mean that we acted in such a way as to catch God by surprise, or to put it another way, something happened that He didn't expect. This cannot be for then He would not be God.

Now what I'm about to say may seem a little strange and if it does just think about it for a minute. We are all terminal. Some have some foreknowledge that their time is short such as Shelley and the person who has planned, and intends to follow through on their suicide know pretty well exactly when it will happen but the rest of us usually don't have a clue. I am convinced that people who have been told their days are few have an advantage over most of us and that is this:

If there is anything standing between them and God they have the time and opportunity to set things right. That is, if they believe there is a God and His word is true. For the atheist this doesn't matter. Those whose days are few and they know it they have the opportunity, for the man who is on his way home from work and some driver runs a stop sign and T-bones him killing him instantly he must face the Judgment just as he was at that moment. No time to repent or set things right.

This may well be the wrong forum for this but this is where Shelley's friends hang out and this is where it will probably be seen the most. Wilbur is free to move it as he sees fit with no word of protest from me. It's just something I've been thinking about since reading about Shelley's problem that, in reality, may not really be a problem. We are all just 'passing through' to somewhere.

Bless you all.
 
feelings

it is pretty witchy when you can share as you have-----don't know if i am ready yet----good for you. regards,ben
 
Well said, Mickey. Of course, many would repent quickly knowing judgment day is rapidly approachng. For most of us, we must accept the Lord now and be constantly prepared for the moment He chooses to call us. My neighbor died in his sleep several years ago. He was a devout Christian. Otherwise, he would have had no opportunity to accept Christ before taking his last breath. You don't need to read the Bible every day, but you do need to pray daily.
 
Mickey

My best friend's little brother (probably my second best friend) suffered a stroke last Friday at about 1:30 PM. They pulled the plug on him Saturday nite about 7:00 PM. He was just 52.:(
Bryan
 
A verse from one of Elvis' spirituals.

When death has come and taken our loved ones
Leaving our homes so lonely and drear
Then do we wonder how others prosper
Living so wicked year after year

Farther along we'll know more about it
Farther along we'll understand why
Cheer up my brother live in the sunshine
We'll understand it all by and by
 
My best friend's little brother (probably my second best friend) suffered a stroke last Friday at about 1:30 PM. They pulled the plug on him Saturday nite about 7:00 PM. He was just 52.:(
Bryan
Bryan, I've suffered what I call a stroke but the doctors said that it's not a stroke if there is no after damage. I was aware of everything but couldn't move anything but my eyelids and couldn't speak. The clot-buster drug was new and they got me to the ER within 30 minutes. Gave me the drug and I was walking and talking in less than an hour.

Later I had a ruptured aneurysm in my descending aorta. Got me to the hospital and into surgery. Spent 11 days in ICU. I've stared Death in the eye on two occasions and have never felt a twinge of fear. If I were told I had a terminal illness and only had weeks to live I don't think I would bat an eye. "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard or has entered into the heart of man all that God has prepared for those that love Him." I believe that to the absolute core of my being.

There is a 'monument' beside the highway between my place and town where a young boy was killed by a head-on driver one night. Don't know the kid's name but his grandfather keeps the grass mowed and flowers out there. It's been there for at least 5 years. That young man had no time to repent of anything. He will face judgment just as he was.

As a man said once, "When it comes your time to die just make sure that's all you have to do." A stroke, heart attack, ruptured aneurysm and a hundred other things can take us out without warning. That's why I say that Shelley is actually fortunate in that he knows his time is short. Many of us don't.
 
Well said, Mickey. Of course, many would repent quickly knowing judgment day is rapidly approachng. For most of us, we must accept the Lord now and be constantly prepared for the moment He chooses to call us. My neighbor died in his sleep several years ago. He was a devout Christian. Otherwise, he would have had no opportunity to accept Christ before taking his last breath. You don't need to read the Bible every day, but you do need to pray daily.
Scriptures tell us that a man can't decide that he will repent on such and such a date. We must be drawn by the Spirit and if we harden our hearts time after time the Spirit will simply quit bothering us. We never know when we let the 'last call' go by. Scriptures tell us that such a man shall be cut off suddenly, and that without remedy.
 
Mickey,
I guess I am fortunate, as I have had the concept of the Holy Trinity slapped into me by nuns at a very early age,actually the beatings went on for years.At some point my "teachers" convinced me that god is not someone you cut a deal with, "do this for me and I'll do that for you"
It's more about sacrifice and suffering, as Jesus allowed himself to be crucified by us to take away our sins,we endure the suffering of our time on earth and through our faith and prayers our soul becomes stronger than our flesh and at some point we are worthy of heaven.
Mickey,I don't think Shelley has a problem either,as long as his soul is strong enough to reach out to God. I pray that it is.
joel
 
Im of the belief that loving and helping your fellow man will do more for your spirituality/soul than all the faith,prayer or worship in the world.There is nothing wrong with faith,prayer or worship but it only serves to strenghthen ones spirituality,God has no needs.I also believe Earth is not the end all of learning planes for God.I wish Shelley all the best.
 
Salvation

Being a Christian is about dying to self, and letting God truly be the God of our life. None of us are worthy in ourselves, but we are made worthy in Christ by his works, not ours. We can do rightious works that are led by the Holy Spirit, but our salvation is not of works, lest any man should boast. Works are to be done out of obedience to God. Remember that Christ himself is the Creater. He is the "Word" which became flesh and dwelt among us so that we might be saved by his completed work on the cross. Remember that when God says "depart from me, I never knew you", he really means that you never had a personal relationship with him, because you never accepted his Son as your personal Savior. I would also like to apoligize for reacting in the flesh at times, but there will come a day that I won't be in the flesh. Until that day I must battle against my own flesh. May God be with you all in your times of need. And remember that Mickey is spot on with his comments and a true brother in Christ.

God Bless,
Michael
 
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Wow!!!

What an awesome post Mickey! I too am a Christian and as I go to shoots around my region I wonder about the spiritual condition of those I am shooting with. My prayer is that each and every one of them knows and understands what Jesus has done for them, even though they do not deserve it, which is the concept of grace; God doing something for you that you do not deserve. God loves each and every one of you! I can not state that strong enough, He love you! This truth is evident from Gen. 1:1 - Rev. 22:21. And because of that Love, He desires to have a relationship with each one of us. This is exactly why Jesus left heaven and came to earth. He came in order to introduce Himself to mankind. He wanted to let humanity know that there is a God in heaven that is very interested in thier lives and that their lives can be purposeful when they relate to Him in a personal way.
I know that 99.9% of you reading this have no idea who I am but I would respectfully ask each of you to consider where you stand before God, because as it has been stated you do not know when you will enter eternity. Will you enter it in relation with Jesus or without Him? The eternal results are significant!
Bro.D
 
Repentance

Scriptures tell us that a man can't decide that he will repent on such and such a date. We must be drawn by the Spirit and if we harden our hearts time after time the Spirit will simply quit bothering us. We never know when we let the 'last call' go by. Scriptures tell us that such a man shall be cut off suddenly, and that without remedy.

Mickey,
A very well said and poignant post. You make an excellent point about those who know their time on this earth is numbered as they have time to make ammends; it was not strange at all. It also reminds me of the parable of the Foolish Virgins who tarried, used their lamp oil, and were thus unprepared for when the bridegroom came. The Bible is full of wisdom, if one takes the time to fully understand the meaning of the words.
Chino69
 
The Last Chance

“Please allow me to present two scenarios for your consideration.

1. You lead your life as you see fit, doing what you please, as you desire to do so. You are not a bad person. You don’t go around killing people; you take care of your family and may even help the needy on occasion. You live in a nice house and drive a nice vehicle. You are a success by the world’s standards – you are a “good” person.

2. I lead my life trying to follow God’s guidance though I sometimes fall far short. I am not a bad person. I don’t go around killing people; I take care of my family and may even help the needy on occasion. I live in a nice house and drive a nice vehicle. I am a success by the world’s standard – I am a “good” person.

We both die:

1. People at your funeral talk about what a good person you were. The preacher goes on about how you loved you family and provided for them, your contributions to the community and how much you will be missed.

2. People at my funeral talk about what a good person I was. The preacher goes on about how I loved you family and provided for them, my contributions to the community and how much I will be missed.

To this point, you and I are the same, but here our paths separate dramatically.

God looks down at you in your casket and says, “My precious child, I prepared a house for you, a house far beyond anything you can dream of, the perfect house in the perfect setting in the perfect city. There will be nothing to alarm or distress you for eternity. My Son made provisions to blot out your shortcomings. I stood, called and waited on you so many times throughout your life, but you rejected me each time. Now, though it breaks my heart, I must reject you just as you rejected my Son. Leave my presence and never return; spend your eternity in torment. My precious child, I am so sorry.”

God looks down at me in my casket and says, “My precious child, I prepared a house for you, a house far beyond anything you can dream of, the perfect house in the perfect setting in the perfect city. There will be nothing to alarm or distress you for eternity. My Son made provisions to blot out your shortcomings. You fell short so many times, but you accepted my teaching and guidance for your life. Welcome, enter your house and your eternity of peace and security.”

It is your eternity. How do you wish to spend it? The choice is yours and yours alone.”
 
Beautifully written Mickey, straight from the heart. Not sure this should go here but I am going to relate it and others can decide.
My wife and I often go to the local hospital cafeteria for lunch. The food is good, they have a variety and sometimes if we only have soup we can both eat for less than $2. Saturday while eating a man setting at a nearby table came over and asked a question about how to contact the local gas company. We answered his question and then he asked if he could set down and then introduced himself and started telling us why he was there. His wife had been involved in an accident, but this is unimportant, but you could tell he was nervious and needed someone to talk to. He related that his life had been full of propblems for the last year or so. That he had bypass surgery a little over a year ago and during recovery he had a couple of strokes. He said the second one was a big one and he was out of it. He said he remembered looking over his right shoulder and could see himself laying in bed, hooked up to all kinds of machines. He said he wasn't afraid or anything and then he began to rise up to the ceiling. He could see his wife, daughter and sister at the foot of his bed. He said he began to rise up thru some clouds and thinking well I guess this is it, I have died. He said he kept rising until he was above the clouds where it was very bright and he came to rest on something very solid feeling. Then he said he could see a tall man approaching him, a fairly dark skinned man with long black hair and a black beard. His robe was the whitest white he had ever seen. He said he knew it was Jesus and he held out his hands to me. He then said he placed his hands in the hands of Jesus and Jesus said to him. "Glenn, it is not time for you yet, you still have work to do on earth". He said suddenly he sat up in bed and asked his sister why the heck did she hit him on the bottom of the foot with a small board kind of like a ruler. He learned that he had basically been flat line all day and discussion had started about "pullin the plug". He said his sister didn't think he was dead and had brought the small board in her purse to hit him and just see if there was a reaction. He said this was not a dream, that it was as real as anything that had ever happened to him. He also said he had not discovered what his "work" was yet, but I think his relating this story to us and I am sure others just may be his work. I have read of this "life after death" thing but this is the only time I have had anyone set and tell me first hand about it. I have thought about it every day since then and I do believe that this past Sunday was a little bit better day in church than usual. Just thought I would pass this along. God be with you Shelley.............Donald
 
Way cool post

I just wanted to say that I have really enjoyed getting to know some of you guys on a whole new level. Being able to take time out and shoot together has brought a lot of friendship among us, but knowing that the relationships that some of us share will last throughout eternity is simply awsome.

Michael
 
Thanks Mickey. In our many moments of weakness it is always good to find our strength through faith. Nice hearing from ya'll.
 
Good posts, one and all.

We are all "terminal" - none of us will "get out alive".... Death is the "worst" thing that can happen to us here on earth, and accepting death makes living a whole lot easier. Nothing to fear.

Some of the news stories that I hear and the things that I see bring tears to my eyes to the point that I pray my "Lord please take me out of this place, I want to be with You". I'm ready, but He must not be through with me, yet.

Cheers,

Bill
 
falling short

Last Sunday Pastor Brad mentioned that the term "falling short" from Romans 3:23 was related to an arrow missing the target. We all do that and the few X's we manage are far and few between. My hope lies in Christ alone. Recently Collosians chapter 3 has become very relevant to me as I ponder the future: "and over all these virtues put on love which binds them all together in perfect unity." I know I fall short, need a savior, got one!
 
You are the best Mickey,

Although we have never shaken hands, I'm glad to call you a friend & brother. If we never meet on this rock....someday. Getting the kitchen pass is all that counts. I wish I could show more of Christ in my personality. Sometimes I think I should take my Jesus fish off the Tahoe the way I let bad drivers get to me. I went to a private Christian school until I was in 5th grade & the only 'A' I got in the very few hours of College I took was on the "Life and Times of Jesus"....but I didn't get saved until 7 years ago. Sometimes He calls us w/ His finger and other times He uses a 2x4. It took my daughter getting sick for me to finally figure it out that it is in the heart and not the head. My Dad got saved about two years later....was pretty cool seeing him get dunked. We almost lost him last year & had to have quad bypass.

I missed the target last night...wife came in while I was on the PC saying my son was crying in his room that he didn't want me to die. He found some copenhagen snuff in the seat at baseball practice and never said anything to me. Threw it out and told him I wouldn't do it anymore......sigh. (darn schools)

I too fall short & glad He foregives me.....certainly not deserving most the time.

pf
 
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