Plaxico Burress

Glocks can fire......

under certain conditions, especially if the receiver is bent, or flexed. It happened to a Calgary cop, & it was recreated by their forensic laboratory, a number of times. This situation is more prevalent than you think.... There are now stainless & aluminum receivers available, & gov't agencies are lining UP to get them!!!!:cool:
 
DID the Google search, I was wrong.

It seems that there IS a situation deemed to be a problem.

There's plenty of rebuttal and the "problem" is most often the result
of a finger on the trigger, but the term "problem" is often used.

There are also a lot of vids and "problems with failure to cycle" which
are the direct result of limp-wristing or worse, but a lot of these seem
to be just Glock bashing.

I'm not a Glock fan, I never owned one until the new 36 came out
but I've always felt them to be uniquely safe and reliable. Still do.


Now the bending the receiver??? IMO that's stretching it.

Anyway, I'll stand down on my "support." :)

al
 
Al,
The real danger in the Glock is when people want to carry them in their pocket or in a holster that is not molded to the specific glock. There is even a video on You Tube that shows a cop accidently shooting himself while holstering his pistol while teaching gun safety to a high school class. It's not during the draw really but when pushing it in something. 5 lb of pressure in not very much in reallity once something catches the trigger.

With all this said...don't think for a minute that I don't like them. My primary pistol is a glock....a person just has to understand it's weakness to be safe....as with any firearm.

In my opinion (after carrying one for the most of 24yrs...the M16/AR15 platforms) are just as dangerous as a glock. Most just don't understand their weaknesses also and it amazes me that there aren't many accidents with them but most aren't carrying them in combat situations.

Hovis
 
HovisKM said:
In my opinion (after carrying one for the most of 24yrs...the M16/AR15 platforms) are just as dangerous as a glock. Most just don't understand their weaknesses also and it amazes me that there aren't many accidents with them but most aren't carrying them in combat situations.

Hovis
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can you describe the safety situation you see in the AR Hovis?? I use one for hunting and really the only draw back I see is you need to have one in the chamber compared to a bolt gun. Hard to sneak up on nite time hogs w/out being locked and loaded. I like the safety placement.
 
Paul,
Now most but not all AR's are susceptable to this. Most are millitary issued weapons that have been shot a lot more than most people ever would but here is how to check it and some things to look out for.

One, Cock and Close the bolt on an empty chamber (actually works best on fired brass to simulate live ammo but I'm sure someone would want to check it with a live round or try it several times empty and with a fired case and then show his friend how stupid I am because his weapon will never do it and then try to show off with a live round and shoot a hole through the ceiling. Guess how I know that) Anyway, take the rifle and leave it on safe and hold it buy the hand guard and grip behind the pistol grip. Get down on your knees and bring the rifle down at about a 60 degree angle and strike the floor with the butt. Sometimes ... in some weapons, the bolt will come back and cause the hammer to release and then follow the bolt forward. Also, you can try this with the safety off...it can be an eye opener. This similates a trip and a fall with the weapon. This is one of the main reasons that "Muzzle awareness and safety is of main concern".

Second,
I highly recommend not using Federal 205 or 205M primers. Now load a couple of rounds in a mag at the range, fire one like normal (into the backstop please), safety the weapon and eject the loaded round and look at the primer. You will notice an indention in the primer. This is caused by the floating firing pin. There is nothing to keep the firing pin from striking he pimer when the bolt cycles and slams shut. This is why millitary ammo has thicker primer cups. Because of this, if your not at a range with a backstop, always lock and load with the muzzle in the air. It will keep the firing pin from traveling forward. I've seen these rare discharges also.

Hovis
 
Thanks Hovis!!

Mine is a les baer varmint...I don't reload for it yet but am saving brass. I'll check the primer / pin mark next time I take her out. It has the Jewell trigger so not sure if this affects the other issue.

pf
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HovisKM said:
Al,
The real danger in the Glock is when people want to carry them in their pocket or in a holster that is not molded to the specific glock. There is even a video on You Tube that shows a cop accidently shooting himself while holstering his pistol while teaching gun safety to a high school class. It's not during the draw really but when pushing it in something. 5 lb of pressure in not very much in reallity once something catches the trigger.

With all this said...don't think for a minute that I don't like them. My primary pistol is a glock....a person just has to understand it's weakness to be safe....as with any firearm.

In my opinion (after carrying one for the most of 24yrs...the M16/AR15 platforms) are just as dangerous as a glock. Most just don't understand their weaknesses also and it amazes me that there aren't many accidents with them but most aren't carrying them in combat situations.

Hovis
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Now if THIS is the vid you're referring to, he wasn't holstering it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlkF3DtarRE

:eek:

Ironic eh??

al
 
My bad on the video.....I guess I slept since then. I think that's the one I was thinking of. Heck, It wasn't even a glock.

It's sad....but funny!!

Hovis
 
HovisKM said:
My bad on the video.....I guess I slept since then. I think that's the one I was thinking of. Heck, It wasn't even a glock.

It's sad....but funny!!

Hovis
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It actually was a Glock 40....

But the TIMING! "I'm the only guy in this room that's professional enough..."

BOOM!

:eek:


I give him props for turning it into a continuation of the lesson! Dude's got sack.....

al
 
Yeah!!! I heard that guy SUED.........

somebody for that video, said it damaged his "Professionable Credibility" or something.
Al; The reason you don't hear too much "bad press" about Glock is because they will pull ALL their advertising in any magazine in which an author says anything negative about them, until that author no longer works at that magazine. Then, if the guy gets a job at another magazine, when they find out where he is, they just pull all their ads in that magazine, too, without saying why, until they're asked. This is known, but not mentioned anywhere, but if you want some stories about Glocks & ARs, go to "The Gun Zone", there are numerous incidents there, including one about the slovenly conditions on the Glock firing range where they swept up the powder after each day's testing, only to have a "flashover fire" there one day which killed one employee, as a result of improper care for flammable solids. I believe that's referenced on TGZ, too, but you have to search the site for these entries, they aren't listed in any sort of order, seems like, "as they arrive".
And, Al, I don't post this w/out having checked this thoroughly w/a researcher who has NEVER given me "Bad Poop". I know you like the Glock, and I'm not trying to "cut you" on this, believe me. When I post something like this, I'm only trying to make people who are NOT aware, aware of some problems to watch out for. Its no fun getting shot, none at all.
And as far as the Calgary officer is concerned, he's not the only one, there are numerous cops who've been shot, or had the guns go off under similar conditions, they just didn't get shot.......but close......REAL close;)
 
Well ,personally I hope Mr Burress gets jail time,Although I would bet money that he dosn't ( In this instance the Forest Gump line could have read "money does as money wants").
On the accidental discharge subject;I guess I've never felt the need to have a round chambered in a self defense carry handgun.That's what I like about the glocks vs.revolvers. Carried on an empty chamber you can pull the trigger or drop the gun and nothing is going to happen. If your life is indeed threatened; a quick rack of the slide and a deliberate trigger pull should end the confrontation.Then if you wish, you can remove the clip,eject the chambered round,re-insert the clip and safely tuck the Glock back into the waistband of your $800 satin sweat pants.
Joel
 
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