New Savage "Benchrest" dual-port rifle

The specs say that the rifle weighs 12.75 pounds. It will either have to lose some weight or you'd have to find a 12oz target scope to shoot HV. Not sure the angle on the buttstock is enough to be legal for registered BR in HV anyway.

Toby Bradshaw
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New Dual Port

Guys,
If you watch the classifieds or Bob Whites web site,you can get a real used BR gun with a custom action for a little more than the retail on this gun and it will be capable of honest .25 aggs ,which I would be surprised if this will match.
Nick
 
Ya know... I've never asked the factory engineers about this one yet (they told us a dual port action was coming last spring), but if I had to guess, just from looking at the configuration - 29" 'extra heavy' barrel (their words, not mine), 12.75 lbs, and chambered in two calibers - 6.5-284 & a fast twist 6mm BR -that see far more use @ 600-1000yd BR than short-range group or score BR... I'd be thinking it was intended for long range BR, not point-blank BR. Throw a Farrel 20 or 30 moa base, a set of Burris Signature Zee rings and a Nightforce BR 12-42x on there (~3.35lbs on my scale), and I think it'd still make Light Gun weight (17lbs) with room to spare (16.1lbs). Use a Weaver T24 or T36 and you'd be even further 'shy' of the limit. Whether a person could drive said rig well enough to be competitive at the local club match... who knows?

Sorry Stephen... it ain't all about 100-200yd group shooting ;)

Monte
 
The 2nd port makes you wonder whether the loss of stiffness compared to a single port will reduce potential accuracy.

Let's hope that the performance of this one is not as inconsistent as with the LRPV. Some of those are screamers but others are dogs, at least until the problems are corrected. I was lucky--mine's a screamer!
 
New Dual Port Action

Stephen,
I am both a group and score shooter.I live in the South East and challenge anyone of the Savage owners to show up at a Reg IBS or NBRSA match and truly shoot an entire match and turn in a certified .25 AGG.If anyone can do so I will be back on this forum with a truly humble apology.
Nick
 
Dual Port Savage

Stephen
It would seem that these Sav Fact .25 Aggs exist only in the most perfect of conditions and only when no else is ther to witness a true Agg as the IBS and NBRSA define them,which to me puts them in the realm of make believe.
If I am wrong then I will be more than glad to meet any of these owners at a match in the SE and we will compete and see who finishes best.
Nick
 
A few years ago I had the pleasure of meeting Fred Moreo who is regarded by many Savage shooters as the "Savage Guru." I drove over to his shop - Sharp Shooter Supply - and he installed and adjusted one of his triggers.

Afterwards we talked for a while and I told him that many of those on the Internet sites like the SavageShooters forum sparked my interest in Savage rifles and I just had to buy one to see what all the fuss was about.

When I asked him about all the claims of "My Savage shoots .25" groups ALL DAY LONG with Winchester white box ammo - his response was basically - "They must be talking some mighty short days"
 
Mass produce BR gun...

milanuk said:
Ya know... I've never asked the factory engineers about this one yet (they told us a dual port action was coming last spring), but if I had to guess, just from looking at the configuration - 29" 'extra heavy' barrel (their words, not mine), 12.75 lbs, and chambered in two calibers - 6.5-284 & a fast twist 6mm BR -that see far more use @ 600-1000yd BR than short-range group or score BR... I'd be thinking it was intended for long range BR, not point-blank BR. Throw a Farrel 20 or 30 moa base, a set of Burris Signature Zee rings and a Nightforce BR 12-42x on there (~3.35lbs on my scale), and I think it'd still make Light Gun weight (17lbs) with room to spare (16.1lbs). Use a Weaver T24 or T36 and you'd be even further 'shy' of the limit. Whether a person could drive said rig well enough to be competitive at the local club match... who knows?

Sorry Stephen... it ain't all about 100-200yd group shooting ;)

Monte
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Yes, The name is solely marketing.... Honestly intended for > 300 yard shoots. I believe the engineers at Savage KNOW they can't honestly market and produce a "turn key" 100-200 yd Benchrest group/score competitive rifle.

Though there will be several that will come to Benchrest Central with questions about purchassing one of these Benchrest Savage rifles... "Is it ready for the Super Shoot".....?!!!

I'm a Savage fan... But I feel their marketing team is setting their products to goals that are rather difficult to achieve.... I believe the 100/200 realm of competitive Benchrest are not attainable from a mass produced rifle... Any brand.
cale
 
Stephen Perry said:
But this new Savage has the makings of going both ways. The calibers offered indicate mid range but a different bolt offering and a 2 barrel set could make the gun a LV/HV combo gun for short range as well as mid range.
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Stephen,

Interesting idea... how much weight do you figure one could lose by going to a ~21" barrel (or whatever is common/popular for 100-200 group/score shooting)? 8" of steel removal would seem to cut a pound or two at least. I think the stock might still be too heavy and/or not rules-compliant as someone else mentioned. I'm not sure I'd hold my breath on them producing a 6 PPC version... but since they obviously already have the tooling in place to do a slow-twist 6mm BR... might that be a workable option? Probably not going to take the world by storm, but possibly accurate enough to make a good starter rifle for learning on.

Obviously I'm not a 100-200 BR shooter, as I'm kind of feeling my way in the dark here. But rather than sit around and bad-mouth the company for trying as others seem to be heading that direction, perhaps a list of what specifically you want to see that could be submitted to their engineers might be more useful (yes, I do have that connection). They were (fortunately) smart enough to make some radical changes to their F/TR / F/Open stock designs based on strong reactions by competitors upon seeing the prototype photos; I don't know if this particular project is past the point of no return as far as changes are concerned. Never hurts to try.

Monte
 
Milanuk

I'll jump in.
I've been hoping for years Savage would make the attempt at a short range BR rig. This of course is not it.

They would need to create or subcontract an appropriate stock. Maybe a Stockade would be the lightest available now. Woods not going to cut it in LV with a Sav action.
Could they improve the quality of their barrels to compete with a handlapped custom? Maybe if they tried real real hard and pulled out all the stops like the custom boys do. Or subcontract the barrels also. Most shooters don't understand how to make a diamond in the rough a jewel. Someone has to do it for them.
The accutrigger will not work in Point Blank BR. Fred makes the 2oz. Evolution but he's already to busy to produce for a major manufacter. Either Sav would have to develop a trigger and get it by their lawyers or it would need to be the customers responsibility.

After all is said and done could it be competitive. Well a good driver might win some matches here and there but I would'nt expect to see it smoke the real custom rigs. Thats not all bad tho.
Theres still a lot of shooters out there that like to step up in small increments.
I'm one of them.
It would get some shooters to jump the fence and try short range BR. Thats good.
Preparing to be flayed but not scared.
 
The Name

That is where the problem lies. Savage is probably as ignorant of "Benchrest", (with a Capitol "B"), as is most of the major manufacturers. I say this because the tack the name Benchrest on a Rifle that is, in it's present form, in no way remotely competitive in the Competitive Arena. That Competitive Arena is what Benchrest is.

Now, this is a fine Rifle for benchrest, with a minor "b". I define that as shooters getting together at the range, shooting some good groups, and having a good time. There is as much satisfaction in this as there is for us to participate in a major Registered Competition.

More times than not, one shooter will nail a real screamer, and all of a sudden he has a Rifle that is capable of "Benchrest Accuracy". I suppose the only time this is of any harm if he is lulled into actually believing that false premis.

Trust me, there are a heck of a lot more shooters interested in benchrest than there are Benchrest. I am sure that this is the market that Savage is addressing.

More power to them.........jackie
 
Trust me, there are a heck of a lot more shooters interested in benchrest than there are Benchrest. I am sure that this is the market that Savage is addressing.

+1.... Totally agree Jackie.
cale
 
hmmmm

i actually just posted almost the same reply on a different thread yesterday :D Darrel Buell won the 2007 fullbore nationals with a Bone Stock Savage FTR- nough said?;)
 
As one of the people who shoots with Darrel on the same team... I'd say there is a wee bit of difference between the two shooting disciplines (Fullbore and point-blank BR). Enough that not everything is a one-for-one translation. Yes, I think the actions are capable enough - they seem to hold their own w/ RPA, Barnard, & BAT actions in F/TR so far - but then those aren't actions that you see very often (other than maybe BAT) in short-range BR, and vice versa. The scary part is that they shoot as well as they do with the barrels that come on them... makes me wonder just what they *would* be capable of with a true BR grade tube, stock, trigger, and someone skilled at shooting that sort of competition.
 
Stephen

Theres a point blank BR shooter in the process of doing that project now.
He's sworn he was going to put down his custom rifle, build a cheapy (working mans rifle) off a Savage action and shoot the 2009 season with it and see what happens.
I would quess he's not the first but I wish him well. I for one will be cheering for him. Gotta love the underdog.

Sorry never knew his name I just saw his post on Savageshooters
 
Jo1911

Specifically where did you see that on the Savage Site?? I went over there, I don't have a clue where it would be. I would like to see what he is doing.......jackie
 
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