Need to know vs. Want to know

[Charles E]

Mike (Bryant), that is true. And oddly enough, what is "on top of your game" will vary from sport to sport. Things that don't matter so much in point-blank group will haunt you in long-range benchrest, and vice versa.

Part of success is trigger time, part is the rifle, but so much is knowing what counts. I find that at the beginning of a new season, it takes me a match or two to get back in form, but usually only that. Re-establishing the fine tune of the eye-finger connection, I suppose. But knowing what to pay attention to is terribly important, and probably can't be learned by just putting rounds down range. Too many variables.

Well, one man's opinion.

 

[dhenzler]

I do shoot benchrest, and the form I shoot the most has some comparison to Highpower, as we shoot for both group and score at the same time. This is 1,000 yard shooting. I believe the highpower 10-ring is 2 MOA -- 20 inches. The highpower X-ring is 1MOA - 10 inches.

Contrast that to benchrest. The 10-ring is 7 inches, the X-ring 3 inches. The 9-ring, by the way, is 13 inches, smaller than your 10, but larger than your X. To get to a 20 inch ring, we'd be in the 7-ring. I had to go look it up, but my 6-match score aggregate last year was 93.6667. In your sport, that would be OVER A HALF YEARS AGGREGATE of 100 with mostly X's. And that was only good for second place -- first loser.

Can you read a 0.5 MPH wind shift over 1,000 yards? I can't. How much practice does that take? But it is enough to take you out of our X-ring, with most chamberings.

What I would suggest is that this is not a simple matter of scale, it is difference in kind.

Come shoot with us. You might enjoy it. We'd enjoy having you. You might also change your mind about the need for a rifles' capabilities.

Best,

Charles

Wasn't addressing competitive shooting Charles, only the implied need for bore scopes. Interesting result in shaking the honeycomb... a lot of bees came out..

I still maintain that my method works... If the rifle shoots then by deinition there's nothing wrong with it. If you get your ass beat time and time again. Check, your loading practice, and make sure your barrell is good, and your bedding is good, and your stock screws are tight, or not rubbing against any wood if not pillar bedded. But if you have a rifle like my little Rem 788 that shoots the equivalent of .14" at 100 yds. day in and day out if I do my part... then all of the high priced bore scopes won't make it shoot any better. And messing with it may make it worse.

I rest my case !

Dhenzler

 

[mike in co]

when were you planing on showing us the .14 five shot 100 yard group.....( 'cause your 3 shot group at 256 does not look like a .14 at alll)
better yet show us those one hole 280 100 yd targets...you should have bunches of them according to you.
(or to put it another way, why show us three shots not touching when you have a gun that shoots one hole all day long??)

mike in co

Wasn't addressing competitive shooting Charles, only the implied need for bore scopes. Interesting result in shaking the honeycomb... a lot of bees came out..

I still maintain that my method works... If the rifle shoots then by deinition there's nothing wrong with it. If you get your ass beat time and time again. Check, your loading practice, and make sure your barrell is good, and your bedding is good, and your stock screws are tight, or not rubbing against any wood if not pillar bedded. But if you have a rifle like my little Rem 788 that shoots the equivalent of .14" at 100 yds. day in and day out if I do my part... then all of the high priced bore scopes won't make it shoot any better. And messing with it may make it worse.

I rest my case !

Dhenzler

 

[Mike Bryant]

Wasn't addressing competitive shooting Charles, only the implied need for bore scopes. Interesting result in shaking the honeycomb... a lot of bees came out..

I still maintain that my method works... If the rifle shoots then by deinition there's nothing wrong with it. If you get your ass beat time and time again. Check, your loading practice, and make sure your barrell is good, and your bedding is good, and your stock screws are tight, or not rubbing against any wood if not pillar bedded. But if you have a rifle like my little Rem 788 that shoots the equivalent of .14" at 100 yds. day in and day out if I do my part... then all of the high priced bore scopes won't make it shoot any better. And messing with it may make it worse.

I rest my case !

Dhenzler

Dhenzler, you are welcome to show up and shoot in any registered 100/200 NBRSA or IBS benchrest match. You'll have to shoot your rifle as a single shot as magazine feeding isn't allowed in the rules, but you should do well with a rifle that will shoot .14" at 100 yards. Most all of us that shoot competitive benchrest started off shooting rifles just about like what you are and trying to get the best that we could out of hunting or varmint rifles. Give it a try you might like it. The 2012 season isn't posted yet, but you might look at this link for clubs holding matches close to North Carolina. http://www.nbrsa.org/Southeast-Region

 

[Boyd Allen]

A little tip...that tiny group all day long stuff may fly on some web sites, but on this one all it does is drastically reduce your credibility. The best that there are would never make that claim for their best competition rifles. As a friend used to say, "Give me a drag off of that when you are through with it."

 

[RLHBUSL]

But if you have a rifle like my little Rem 788 that shoots the equivalent of .14" at 100 yds. day in and day out...

Dhenzler

Probably didn't use wind flags either. If you did your little Remy would probably shoot zeros ... all day long every day ...

 

[Charles E]

It's probably about a 2-1/2 to 3 hour drive from Newport to Rockingham Gun Club:

http://www.rockinghamcountygunclub.com/

100-200 yard Benchrest, usually 2 NBRSA sanctioned matches yearly, and monthly club matches.

Less driving to to Camp Butner,

http://www.northcarolina1000.com/index.html

1,000 yard sanctioned benchrest matches only.

You' be welcome at either for a match -- I don't know what the 788 is chambered in, but some of the other rifles you mentioned would be competitive -- as far as the chambering goes -- at 1,000.

I'll increase the bet to $150, which would cover your gas plus $100 if you won, but cost you more if you lost.

Or we could shoot just for fun, depends on you. I'm simply willing to put my money where my mouth is. While I've been wrong more than once, I think you would learn something.

AFAIK, there are no benchrest matches closer to you. There is a club in Wilmington that use to have 100 yard BR matches, but they haven't had sanctioned match in quite some time now.

Want to try? I think if you kept an open mind, you'd find it interesting.

 

[4Mesh]

Wasn't addressing competitive shooting Charles, only the implied need for bore scopes. Interesting result in shaking the honeycomb... a lot of bees came out..

I still maintain that my method works... If the rifle shoots then by deinition there's nothing wrong with it. If you get your ass beat time and time again. Check, your loading practice, and make sure your barrell is good, and your bedding is good, and your stock screws are tight, or not rubbing against any wood if not pillar bedded. But if you have a rifle like my little Rem 788 that shoots the equivalent of .14" at 100 yds. day in and day out if I do my part... then all of the high priced bore scopes won't make it shoot any better. And messing with it may make it worse.

I rest my case !

Dhenzler

If I go through my toolbox, I bet I can find 100 tools I can live without. (easily 100 in my case). But that doesn't mean they're not useful tools. It means if I lower my standards a little, or use more time and other resources, I can 'get by' without. Well, thanks anyway, I like having the proper tool for the job. Sometimes in duplicate and even triplicate. And that's even if I only use it once in a very great while. There are some things you can borrow, but I'm not the borrow'n type. I positively do not like being behold'n to anyone. I also prefer seeing things first hand vs having someone else tell me everything is just peachy.

Nobody said there was any 'implied need' for a borescope. They said there are lots of things you can do with them (some even outside the gun world), and pointed out several examples of their own. Maybe they were just typing so they could justify their purchase, and that's ok with me too. I bet there's guys reading here who own fishing boats too. I bet the boats cost a damn site more than a borescope, and nobody here is telling em they can fish without, simply by standing on the shore getting eaten by the bugs.

Btw, I always fish at the local fish market where I always catch what I want, and there's no license required.