NBRSA stepping on IBS Toes?

Most of you do not get what I said, Why would NBRSA want to step into IBS's territory, when things are going so well between the two organizations, THAT is what I am talking about. VFS is IBS' game and now a few people from NBRSA want to steal it from IBS. I am not talking about which organization is about accuracy or precision, to me they are the same. You need one to achieve the other.

To Lens976 what you just said about me trying to get Joe to say something stupid, is a tactic that you must be trying to do. I never even thought about that, you must be a wicked mind. It would be nice if you could step up to the plate with a real name. What are you afraid of. I was always told that if someone fears something it usually means they would DO what they fear.

To Eric, I am not trying to stir the pot, I was trying to avoid a situtation in the future between IBS and NBRSA. As Jackie stated and very well we are discussing the same things they discussed back in the 50's and 60's, I feel people with past knowledge of this sport should step in when something is being discussed that is rehashed every ten years or so and tell why things were done the way they were back in the day. Things have been going good between the two organizations to have more stuff get started by starting a carbon copy of what IBS is doing. It took close to 20 plus years for IBS to expand out of the Northeast and I am sure IBS does not want to lose these members or clubs.

The Super Shoot is not registered with either of the organizations due to the politics invovled.

To those that want to know someones agenda when running for director, what if they do not have an agenda????? Matter of fact I do NOT want someone running for Director to have an agenda, I want them to have the agenda of their regional members!!!!!!!! A majority of regional members. That is what they are suppose to do, in this day and age that is no longer the case. We have enough politicians in this country that have an agenda.

To me most of you missed my point of this thread because of what others percieved my thread to be about.

Jim
 
Thanks Jim for agreeing with my position.

From the other thread - "My campaign is about listening to the membership and representing their interests. Nothing else. "

I couldn't have stated that any better myself.

Regardless of who is saying things on this forum, everyone has a right in this country to have their position heard. We simply need to give our members the ability to have their positions listened to.

To all the ER members, please take the time to vote.
 
Hip-Hip-Hurray for Jim.

I don't understand why some people have their panties in a bind. Jim wasn't stirring anything in my opinion.

Joe - very well said also.

I'm glad that the level headed people in the shooting sports (like Jim and Joe) outnumber the unique ones.

I had a very interesting talk with Jim's dad (George) last weekend at Holton. Learned a lot about the history of benchrest, what has taken place. Jackie said the same thing as George. History repeats itself. I loved the comment George made in a round about way: You can give someone everything they want and it pisses them off.

I think the organizations will eventually come together (crystal ball talking) but if they don't....who cares....be happy.

And I haven't seen any group shooter on this thread act like their better than the score guys or that group shooting is better. Get over it....taste great...less filling....who cares. I have more important things to worry about like Osama and Obama. :eek::eek:


Hovis
 
James A. Kelbly said:
In some threads posted earlier, one NBRSA director and one possible new director of NBRSA have stated that they would like to see NBRSA take on Varmint for Score and add it to NBRSA’s current Hunter Class competitions. Now don't you think this would cause problems with IBS?
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Jim,
Why on earth would you think this would bother IBS I cannot imagine.
It is true IBS has Grown because NBRSA refuses to sanction Varmint for Score but I for one only desire Benchrest shooters be able to compete in any type event they desire. If NBRSA wants to force all the small clubs that do not have adequate facilities or enough workers to do group shoots to join IBS this strikes me as counterproductive to making NBRSA grow but that is their perogative the way I see it.

Dick
 
Dick,
So you are telling me that if NBRSA added VFS and all the ranges that are currently holding NBRSA group matches and IBS VFS matches, switched to only holding NBRSA matches period and their members dropped their IBS membership that that would not upset IBS? I find this hard to beleive.

Jim
 
James A. Kelbly said:
Dick,
So you are telling me that if NBRSA added VFS and all the ranges that are currently holding NBRSA group matches and IBS VFS matches, switched to only holding NBRSA matches period and their members dropped their IBS membership that that would not upset IBS? I find this hard to beleive.

Jim
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That I did not say.
Why are you are assuming everybody would just quit IBS and go NBRSA ? There are a number of reasons I doubt that would happen. And no I am not going into those reasons it would be counterproductive.

Of course I know some would go over/back to NBRSA but I do not think it would be near as many as you imagine.

Dick
 
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Dick,
You did not say it I did, and then you asked why I thought that would bother IBS. You can not pull one sentence out of my earlier post and comment on it when the sentence you pull out goes with a complete paragraph.

I know as well as you do that all the current ranges that are only holding VFS IBS matches would not switch to NBRSA. But it is a possiblity, is it not! This will be my last comment on this. I was just trying to point out the consequences that could happen that I personally do not want to see happen.

Jim
 
I don't believe IBS has a legal patent on score. If NBRSA wanted to offer sanctioned VFS matches right alongside group, than why not.

Both group and VFS can be shot and scored at the same time on the same range at the same match. Actually VFS is arguably easier and quicker to score, and much easier to set up ( no moving backers needed).

NBRSA certainly isn't increasing its numbers, and/or match attendence, by only offering group. If it can increase match attendence and interest by offering both VFS and group, then it should go for it.

Let us not forget that BR does not end at the Missippie River headed west. There are alot of us out here in the west that do not shoot in the east and probably never will, especially if gas prices continue to climb.

Bob
 
The first question you have to ask:

Does it benefit the search for an improvement in rifle accuracy?

If the answer is "no," then that's it.

Some folks have lost sight of that.

The good lord willin', and the government don't go completely off the skids, when we're dead and gone, someone will be searching for the perfect group. The most accurate boomstick.

The objective should be a level playing field, but should also encourage innovation, and realize that boundaries may change over time.

This ain't about bolting restrictor plates onto engines.
 
Bob Kingsbury said:
I enjoy group shooting more than score, but I can see many new shooters
punching holes in IBS score tgts. Some go on to BR. These new shooters
are the life blood of both IBS and NBRSA. Clearly there is a greater attraction
to IBS
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Some go on to BR? C'mon, it's ALL Benchrest!

There are two organizations that offer nearly identical formats, with the exception of the IBS offering VFS in addition to Group and Hunter. I don't believe the IBS ever intended on being more Score oriented; it's just that Score has proven to attract quite a number of shooters for various reasons. The biggest reason, most likely, is that a shooter can compete without having to spend three days of their time.

Both disciplines use nearly identical equipment, and require that you and your equipment are capable of about the same level of accuracy/precision to be competitive. The only differences in the formats are the target and the time limit.

I've shot both disciplines...........
Anyone who has shot both can tell you that Score is no easier...........
Ask a dedicated Group shooter who has gone to a Score shoot where some of the contenders were on the line if he walked in and tore the place up..........

-Dave-:)
 
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