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sebastian

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Paul Schmid sent some pics today...and told me that the rifle weight 10 lbs 2.5 oz with a Leo 45X, and 10.5 lbs with a March.
Paul also fireformed some brass with his fireform barrel in this gun. He told me that the stock tracks very well. *Unfortunately the stock is sticky on the bags due to the paint/clear coats, we believe (it was in rush time & not 100% cured)...but not a big problem as it can be solved easily with wax....or just teflon tape (my very last option).

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I will give the credits to Paul and Jim Kelbly/Hobie Bond & "the gangs". Without them & their helps I cannot have this rifle... It looks great to me, "guys"!...I am very happy here!


Well, this is my first true BR rifle, and I am sure will have/order another rifle in the future...maybe for 1000 yds or F class match.

I can't wait to shoot this rifle!!!

seb.
 
Very nice Seb, truly a one-of-a-kind rifle.

Some projects turn out better than expected, and I think this is one of them.

Good luck shooting this rifle.................Don
 
Good luck with the new rifle Sebastian, I hope you and the gun shoot as well as it looks.
 
Thanks, gentlemen.
I will try my best to shoot well...but don't blame me if......uh, never mind.

seb.
 
Man that is a strange action..?

Seb, where did you get the action..???
Both ports on each side are equally large..:eek:
I have never seen a Stolle with both ports that appear to be loading ports versus a large loading port and a small ejection port...:confused:
Be careful when you toss a loaded round into the action during a fast run mode..the loaded round may just bounce out exiting the far side...:D
 
It's a Panda double symmetry ports. I have seen this configuration before, and I intentionally ordered it from Kelblys.
To my understanding, Kelbly makes several configurations on their lines of action, including the double symmetry ports like mine. This is just one of them.

Yep, the ports are large.....It would be a benefit for me/for my own purpose anyway, as I would be able to practice to load from left or right with it. (I STILL need a lot of exercise as a newbie, and to find what work best for me). Also that I usually put/push the round right into the chamber when loading, even in a fast mode.
That's all the reasons.
Thanks you for reminding me...I will be careful with it.

seb.
 
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sebastian said:
It's a Panda double symmetry ports. I have seen this configuration before, and I intentionally ordered it from Kelblys.
To my understanding, Kelbly makes several configurations on their lines of action, including the double symmetry ports like mine. This is just one of them.


seb.
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I've never scrutinized a right port Kelbly action but does it use the exact same bolt as a left port action or is the extractor location rotated 180 degrees? I don't see how you can remove a round except toward the extractor side so I don't see how a double symmetry port gun can work unless you use different bolts. That's unless I've overlooked something obvious and what are the chances of that happening for the 375th time? :D
 
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sebastian said:
Thanks, gentlemen.
I will try my best to shoot well...but don't blame me if......uh, never mind.

seb.
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Sebastian,
That is a really impressive looking rifle; that stock is awesome. Good luck with it.
Chino69
 
The ones I remember had the extractor on the right and as you loaded the round into the left port you pushed the empty out the right port at the same time or you can just load it carefully like a right port only and watch through the left port.
 
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OK guys.
First Jerry, thanks for the complement of my Brass Teardrop being even close to Tom's work. Alright, Tom did do the final polish on it for me

It is easy to put the loaded round in the Left port and have it come out the Right Port. Fact is, the guys watching can be quite cruel when this happens.

Tom D. This action is considered Right Bolt Left Port and the bolt is made special for this action. It can be loaded from either side. The Extractor is on the Right side, the "NO SPRING" Ejector is on the left, and kicks the case out the right side only as hard as the bolt is pulled back. That is, from NO ejection at all if the bolt is not pulled all the way back to chucking it right off the bench if you get carried away and pull the bolt back really hard.

The rifle is a joy to shoot and handles very well. As Seb says the only thing I have to complain about is it sticking on the bags, easy to fix but not up to me to do it, Seb will make the decision on how to fix it when he arrivies.
 
TomD said:
I've never scrutinized a right port Kelbly action but does it use the exact same bolt as a left port action or is the extractor location rotated 180 degrees? I don't see how you can remove a round except toward the extractor side so I don't see how a double symmetry port gun can work unless you use different bolts. That's unless I've overlooked something obvious and what are the chances of that happening for the 375th time? :D

Edit: I think I get it, just take the bolt handle off and solder it back on 180 degrees around. The bolt body it self is symmetrical except for ejector location.
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Hi Tom,

Not to say that this the 375th time, but the large dual port Panda that I own and the others that I have seen that are large dual port extraction capable, use a dual extractor cut bolt head. One cut contains the functional extractor while the other cut has a dummy extractor with the extractor lips ground-off and acts only as a filler for the non-functional extractor cutout.

Extraction can be reversed by switching the dummy and functional extractors.

I dont know if this is the setup Seb is using. Some folks just use 2 different bolts, but I guess I am a bit frugal and hate to have to keep track of more components than necessary......................Don
 
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I think it's just as simple as Paul says. It is right bolt, right extractor, left ejector. You can either load from the left or right port with it, depends on your preference. If you choose to load from the left port, the cartridge holder will be on the left side of the rest, if you choose to load from the right, the cartridge holder will be on the right side. It is more "universal" to me, and I would only need one bolt. The spent cases will always be to the right, too.
In fact, I can use both RBLP or RBRP actions. In Indonesia, I common with RBRP actions...but I have tried/used RBLP before this and I think it's (also) great. I only need to choose which one would really work best for me, and just how to prevent the rounds to fall to the other side of the port in a fast run mode. That's all.
I wonder now, is this configuration complicated/confusing to some of you?

seb.
 
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Looks very cool Sebastian, nice work.

I am sure you will quickly settle on a loading routine and the concern of throwing a round in one side and out the other will a non issue. Even if you did at least the round will clear the action and you won't have a jam, just pick the round up and drop it back in from the right or grab another from the ammo block on the left !!

Good luck at the supershoot !

Is that ammo block holder an item that you are making ? I have the block you sent me but want to set it up closer to the action, the set up in Paul's picture looks to be exactly what I am after.

Bryce
 
Bryce You make it sound so easy, "just put the round back in" problem is, you don't know you did it until you ............wait............ condition comes back and the rifle goes "click" instead of BOOM.

That is Seb's latest Ammo Tray and block assembly, it works as nice as it looks too.
 
Hi Bryce,
Thanks you. I just hope that I wouldn't make a mistake or goes "click" instead of "boom" with the config.

When you see TOP dog shooters like Mike Ratigan (etc) "in action",....shooting/loading/wind doping/etc seems to be "so easy/piece of cake". That's what I call "trully skill" & "rythm" overhere. They shoot just like a CNC machine,....eyes always look straight to the front/windflags, foot open & steady, no much/no any un-needed movements, etc etc...everything is very, very efficient. They can shoot as fast as needed, and (most of all) can stop as fast as the condition changes too.... Well, I've been trying "to shoot like" them overhere, with my "bench rifle"....BUT, I know I can't do it, or even just close. I still do NOT have the "rythm", the skill & speed, the "robot thing", and proper rifle/components overhere. I still make many mistakes!....lol

The cartridge tray is just to help the speed thing. No more.
That's the newer production, capable of bullets point down, and adjustable. I can send you one if you like it...but after the SS (around June) please since I don't have one in stock now.

seb.
 
venting

Are you venting the barrel with the openings in the forearm?
 
realm-aw

My question is, how much air flow is/would be needed to cooling down a (hot) barrel within a short time?...or how many degree of temp an outdoor air flow would/can reduce the temp of the barrel???....No, "the openings" has been more intended "to meet" my needs, a skeleton/skeletonized stock.

Thanks for asking,
seb.
 
very versital..

I know just what ur doin....I sleeved an xp-100 bak in the 70's and used a dual port Davidson....I was trying to figger out what workd best for me...Kenny Gilbert had a Panda just like that before me...you also are trying to find what works and feels good to you and learn a rythem...I shure hope it all comes together for you at Kelblys....they have helped many shooters (new and well seasoned) to get their act together.....Good luk....Roger
 
Paul, I guess I didn't think of that one !! With my set up at present the loading block is down at bench level and I feel I need to peek down quickly as I load to avoid fumbling or knocking the block off the bench !! As such I see the round enter the action momentarily and would see an "overshoot" in Seb's action. Like Seb said above, you guys that are more experienced aren't looking at the the action so I can see how you could fire on an empty !


Seb, good luck, I am sure you will do fine and will have a great time regardless. I'll get back in touch sometime in June and get one of those ammo block holders off you. Take care.

Bryce
 
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