Montana 1999 Actions

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Tom Howell

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What does anybody think of the Montana 1999 bolt action as a basis for a custom rifle? I have been a Model 70 fan all of my life but have never laid eyes on a Montana action although I see quite a few custom builds for sale that used them. Do they make both short and long actions? Tom
 
Go to Montana's website. Their receivers need to be squared up. They are a kit receiver and not the qualityu of the Remington clones. I had much rather have a Mod 70 and the value and resale value is much better.
Butch
 
Montana 1999 actions today

Butch: the last two I got were much better than the first couple. I actually talke to Jeff Sipe yesterday and ordered a RHRBSA std boltface in stainless steel. They actually had it is stock ready for shipping. It should be here next week. I'll take some pictures and post them.

Nat Lambeth
 
Sounds to me that I better stick to a Model 70. I have a forty year old one in 270 that is about due for a new barrel. It has 4000+ rounds, the wooden stock looks like the beavers made good use of it in at least one den from hundreds of miles of scabbard time horseback in the brush, and last week when I checked my zero it still shot 3 110 grain Accubonds with 57.5 grains of H4350 into a 3 leaf cluster! I keep thinking I should at least put a McMillan stock on it this winter! Thanks for the input guys. Tom
 
Asa,

It blew up in 2009.

Cheers
Vince (UK)

Vince and Asa, Do you have any more details? There are many possibilities and this thread isn't fair to them, IMHO, without some details and reasons to suspect the action was at fault. My experiences with them have all been pretty good as hunting rifle platforms. And was the problem, if there was one, corrected? I can't find any reference to the NRA UK incedent. If it was an action problem, surely it was with more than one unless there were other considerations as to the cause.--Mike Ezell
 
Reply to ASA's post

Asa, I was skeptable of the M-1999 strenght being investment cast. I have built several rifles on these actions most in magnum calibers. All have been shot extensively without any problems. I have seen over the years a number of other manufactures actions laid open. The primary cause was operator/reloader error. The second cause was gunsmith error ie: poor fit and finish (headspacing). The third cause of failure was manufacture defect.

I tried to follow the post on Long Range dot com about the M-1999 failure in England. As I remember the English equilivent to OSHA was doing an investigation. Have there been any published eports on this alleged action failure. If so can you link us to them?

Maybe Jeff Sipe owner/operator of Montana Rifles will chime in with a response to this thread. I certainly would like to here both sides of the story before passing judgement.
Nat Lambeth
 
Okay time for heresy here. I've had three Ruger 77's, and still have one. The two I don't have anymore were both loaded fairly hot, as hot as I'd load for a Rem 700 at least, with no problems at all. They were sold because I wanted something else, and wasn't using them anymore. The one I still have is on it's third barrel including the factory barrel, and so far no problems. A properly investment cast action and/or bolt will work as well as one that's machined from bar stock, and neither are worth a hoot if the metal isn't the right type or improperly heat treated.
 
There have been plenty of Winchester, Remington, Sako, and Savage actions laid open in recent years as well.
So it is difficult to lay claims of poor quality on Montana actions based on that one incident.
Ted
 
Well of course there is this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEOEu6k6sFE

Heres a Marlin
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/roxbury-me/TC8MSB5OBNQH1KFLF

heres an M1A
http://www.thegunzone.com/m1akb.html

A remington 770
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbizDZq5rug&feature=related

Not sure what this one is.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119731

Here is a Savage
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/04/cartridge-confusion-catastrophic/

BUt the common thread is that in most cases "we don't have any forensic evidence to tell us exactly what caused these issues" Many of them were probably reloading or operator issues but we don't know for sure. Mistakes can cause any good firearm to fail.
I am not going to say that those actions are great quality or poor quality. BUt it isn't fair to judge them over one incident. I have a Wichester blow up around some where but can't find it. I suppose it was caused by a bore obstruction but don't know for fact.
 
I've only actually seen two rifles that have come undone, and they were both caused by the ammunition. In one someone fired a 7 mm Rem Express (.280 Rem after someone at Remington had brain flatulence) in a 7 mm Rem Mag chamber that split the case wide open, dumped the gas into the mag well, which blew out the follower and the floorplate off the rifle. The stock may have split. Shooter error obviously.

The other was an M1 that was being fired with surplus British military '06 ammo. A small more or less square hole was blown in the extractor groove of the case which dumped gasses into the mag well and split the stock diagonally through the action. The only damage was to the stock, and since the shooter was walking normally afterwards his underwear was apparently not soiled. The hole looked as though it had been cut with a broach, obviously a faulty case.

In an instance I only heard of, a friend failed to check that his powder measure was completely empty before loading some rounds for his 6.5-08 high power match rifle, and poured in the correct powder on top of the remaining powder. The previous powder was apparently some faster because one round let go and destroyed the stock. The barrel and action (Win 70) were apparently not injured, nor was the shooter except in the wallet.
 
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