meyers action

Here is what i know to be factual about the Shilen Barrels,In May of 2008,I spent the better part of the day in Shilens shop,Ed was not there ,but Wade was & he had me set down with the man who did most of the barrel lapping,I made him some sketches of what i wanted in the bore dimentions & amount of taper towards the muxzzle,They told me that they would try & make a Barrel to my specs,When i got back from Texas ,Ed shipped me the First barrel for my inspection,That barrel is on Mrs Killoughs rifle,I then ordered more barrels & Ed Told me that they would be made to my spec,or send them back,I have received over 40 barrels & all of them are correct,I do not know what every body else is getting,I will ask Ed,But mine were the first ones to my Dimensions & they all are great Barrels,Thanks Shilen. BILL
 
Good enough explanation for me. BC was installing them before May. Sounds like Ed Shilen did the smart thing and got input from more than one source.
 
Well I know you guys know way more than me on these rimfires as I am mainly an Xp100 shooter..If it`s got anything to do with them and long range shootin I could probably tell ya,,but the rimfires ,,no..SO what the heck is the difference between a (SPEC) rifle and one that you have someone just build for ya???? If you buy a custom action and good barrel and have a quality smith put it together,,isn`t it the same??? Seems like a lot of VOODOO here to me..
 
Think it really becomes the same. "Spec" as generally used means speculation such as Spec house. Which means somebody builds a house and take a risk on making a profit. As far as "SPEC" rifles go, I've heard it to be "specualtion", which makes some sense and "specification" which really makes none. So, let's say BC builds a "Spec" rifle. One would beleive he is simply looking to make a profit on the rifle and does not know who will own it, but really they're sold in advance which takes the "spec" out of it and makes them contract guns. I suppose the same goes for Bill Myers but his seem to be more "spec" because they are not always sold in advance. As far as "spec" meaning specification I don't think it does. They're the same as all other rifles and have no custom specifcatations. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Matter of sematics.
 
Lynn,

People may have decided that "SPEC" has something to do with specification. It doesn't except the builder of whatever it may be is hoping somebody will buy it and he/she can make a profit and obviously builds to specifications they hope will attract a buyer. Same as speculating in the stock market. If it is already sold, there is no longer a speculation. No risk, no speculation. Look up definition of a spec house.
 
Spec

Lets call a duck a duck! There is nothing "Spec" about anything that is sold in advance of building! If you choose who you are going to sell it to before you build it it is a "contract rifle, house or what ever you may build." If you choose to share that business info with the rest of us thats ok but I really don't see the point of that information being of much use to any other parties other than the buyer and the seller.
 
Mr. Myers

Could you please post photo's of the Myers rimfire action?? And of the completed action as built by yourself. That is what started this post, a request for photo's and web address where they could be seen.
Thank you for setting the record straight on the action and that it is yours and yours alone.
What is the cost of your action and time lag to receive one???


Thank you very much for your time.

Semper fi
pickles
 
meyers and his guns speak for themselves , he does'nt have someone else
talk for him..or cut and paste.
 
Lynn said:
Butch
In his post Bill Myers said he worked with Ed Shilen on some barrels but didn't say anything more.Do you know if Bill Calfee worked with Ed Shilen on some barrels as well? If so who contacted who?
Waterboy aka Lynn
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Lynn, take that reading for understanding refresher course. Myers said he specified some bore dimensions and taper specs and got what he wanted, no more no less.
 
Lynn, with all due respect, you could quote the guy who had coffee with the guy that used to know Butch but Mr. Myers told you directly what he wanted and what he got. It doesen't seem that tough to grasp.
I'm gonna take a wild guess here and assume most of the Shilen .22 barrels out there probably had nothing to due with Butch, Ya think?
 
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Lynn said:
Tim
I quoted Butch Lambert who used to be "The Barrel Man" selling Shilen barrels.I posted the question to him because as The Barrel Man he probaly knows the Shilens better than most posters here.
I notice you didn't respond to his post but did to mine is this the first time you have seen the post?
Waterboy aka Lynn
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Lynn,

I'm gonna write this and it will sound somewhat elusive and mystical I guess; however, it points to what you ask. But I'm sure you remember history in school and how they made you remember dates. It was a B**** and we all wondered who cared. Turns out dates are important.

Now couple the dates with the actual documentation that floats around, and it's not too hard to see that Mr. Myers had little if anything to do with the current Shilen craze. As a matter of fact, he personally makes a statement that puts him out of the time line, which began in late 2007 (Kirk Gaston once made mention that he ordered his barrel in Jan or Feb of 2008 and that's on this forum if you bother to look). Now, Bill Myers may have 8worked with Shilen after the craze began to get what HE wanted but that has little to do with the current Shilen craze. That does not say that anybody other than Ed Shilen or the Shilen management steered them in the right direction. However, the rifle that started it all was shot in 2007 and it's easy to find who fit that barrel. Fitting a barrel; however, is not the same as making one. But Myers did not develop the suddenly hot shooting Shilen barrel. I want to be specific that I am not criticizing anybody; just stating a fact. The Shilen barrels that Myers is currently using on his rifles may in fact be made to his specifications, but the bandwagon was already on the road.
 
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I think we need to remember that Ed Shilen is actually responsible for the hot barrels. Did he have good input from Bill Meyers or Bill C, yes, he did. I guess this part needs to be put to bed.
Butch
 
40 years

Shilen Barrels have been used for over forty years, now that has to tell you something.
 
ED Shilen

Butch Lambert said:
I think we need to remember that Ed Shilen is actually responsible for the hot barrels. Did he have good input from Bill Meyers or Bill C, yes, he did. I guess this part needs to be put to bed.
Butch
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Ed Shilen is a very humble person. He also is a very polite listener. I think Ed did call Calfee for his thoughts on barrels. I am sure he listened to what Calfee had to say about barrels. Ed also talked to the top shooters and rifle builders in this area about their opinions about barrels. He went to the ARA nationals and talked to quite a few gunsmiths about barrels. But at the end of the day, Ed BUILDS what he thinks will shoot best. Ed has been shooting ARA here in Tx for 4 years now. IN this time he has built and tested many barrels. He has also had others test new barrels he made. Some have been great shooters but they did not get much national attention. THey did get OUR attention, though. Also, Ed was designing and hand building the equiptment to build barrels when Calfee was in grade school. ED bows up if you suggest Calfee is responsible for the barrels they are now making. ED did send 2 barrels to Calfee and to Bill's credit, he put them in the hands of a couple of good shooters.
 
J Pappas said:
Ed Shilen is a very humble person. He also is a very polite listener. I think Ed did call Calfee for his thoughts on barrels. I am sure he listened to what Calfee had to say about barrels. Ed also talked to the top shooters and rifle builders in this area about their opinions about barrels. He went to the ARA nationals and talked to quite a few gunsmiths about barrels. But at the end of the day, Ed BUILDS what he thinks will shoot best. Ed has been shooting ARA here in Tx for 4 years now. IN this time he has built and tested many barrels. He has also had others test new barrels he made. Some have been great shooters but they did not get much national attention. THey did get OUR attention, though. Also, Ed was designing and hand building the equiptment to build barrels when Calfee was in grade school. ED bows up if you suggest Calfee is responsible for the barrels they are now making. ED did send 2 barrels to Calfee and to Bill's credit, he put them in the hands of a couple of good shooters.
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James,

I think that is very consistent with the version Bill Calfee will tell you. I agree with Butch, it's time to put this part to bed.
 
Lynn said:
Madrox
Exactly my thoughts.I thought we were a year off but wanted to see what Butch had to say as he is or was in with the folks making the barrels.
I received a PM from Butch and all is well.

Tim
My question was posted to Butch as his post made it sound like Bill Calfee wasn't working with Shilen back in 2007 a full year before what Bill Myers put in his post.You didn't have a response to Butches post when he claimed Bill Myers was responsible for the hot barrels and Bill Calfee wasn't in the loop.I am glad that my posting a question to Butch has now sparked your interest in this thread.Maybe you can tell us more about these barrels or any differences between them so we don't order the wrong version?
Waterboy
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I'm fully aware of the history and development of the current 4 groovers, I talked to both Bill C and Ed before I ordered one. Bill Myers made no references to anything other than time spent, request made, orders filled. Seemed pretty direct to me. At the end of the day, Ed Shilen's renewed interest in rimfire, his willingness to listen to several sources and his ability to produce a nice product are responsible for the nice product, no?
 
Somewhere

J Pappas said:
As far as I know Friend Bill Calfee has never built an action.
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rattleing around in my mind is the fact that Calfee and Stiller are colaborating on a rimfire action. Is this a figment of my immagination? Please keep in mind that I just spent a couple of months on pain killers recovering from surgery.....?
LASER
 
Yes, Yes, Yes

LASER said:
rattleing around in my mind is the fact that Calfee and Stiller are colaborating on a rimfire action. Is this a figment of my immagination? Please keep in mind that I just spent a couple of months on pain killers recovering from surgery.....?
LASER
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YES, Calfee and Stiller are not working together on ANYTHING.
 
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