Match Winning Loads

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DaRealViper

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Say 21.75" 1x14 Twist match barreled 6mm ppc

Other than the shooter, what makes a match winning load?

Which contributes more?

Is it the velocity of the bullet ?

Is it the bullet overall length in a certain twist barrel of a given length?
 
Addendum

Certain barrel length at a certain RPM?



Is bullet stability more important than velocity?
 
Viper

This is a question on the same plain as "how long is a string".
When achieveing the accuracy that is demanded to be competitive in 100-200 yard Benchrest, the entire "combination" has to work together. That includes everything from the scope sitting atop the Rifle, to the bags and rest that the Rifle is sitting in.
As to your specific question. In Benchrest, everything takes a back seat to the combinations agging capability. Velocity is really a non factor. A load combination that will produce sub .200 aggs at 3200 is certainly superrior to one that produces .300 aggs at 3450. And Vica-versa. The reason many of us shoot in the upper load window is that we have found, with our combination, that is where the best aggs lurk. It has little to dowithn the bullets "wind bucking" capabilities.
Many of us have found that barrel length means very little, as far as accuracy is concerned. I have a Unlimited barrel thatis now cut clear back to 18.5 inches that shoots quite well. I also have them at 22.5 that shoot the same. That old magic "21 3/4" comes out of the Houston Warehouse shoots. But then, there were a bunch of bold statements proclaimed out of that exercise that are do not pan out in the real world. My favorite was, "Powder selection and weight didn't seem to make a difference".
As for bullet length in a given twist, it is a given that if a bullet never stabilizes, it darned sure isn't going into the group. So you do need enough twist to stabilize what ever length bullet you are shooting. The general consensus has always been that the most accurate twist will be the one that just stabilizes the bullet, and no more. Winning aggs are shot with twist from13.5 to 15, using the conventional 65-68 grn Benchrest Bullets built on .825 jackets.........jackie
 
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Winning aggs are shot with twist from13.5 to 15, using the conventional 65-68 grn Benchrest Bullets built on .825 jackets.........jackie

Don't forget about the .790 jacket bullets as well...!:D
cale
 
good reading

jackie
good reading thanks for the 21 3/4" barrel length verse 18 1/2 "barrel length i have seen guys throw out a barrel at 21" because they say a barrels sweet spot is between 21-21 3/4 i just took one of those barrel cut 3/4 of the threads off rechambered it lapped it to make sure there was no burrs i could see then cut 3/4 off the front of the barrel recrowned it it shoots like a band new barrel. i just did it to prove a point that was exactly what you said thanks for the good reading. bill
 
Also read the Houston wharehouse article 21.75" Was with a 22PPC am I correct?

Also a 100yd record stands with the .222 Remington of which I Believe
16-17.50" Length and 1.25"Diameter barrels shorter stiffer used to be the
norm. 22gr RL7 Rem 71/2's 52gr Match good ol days still works for me today.

Bet the 18 incher shoots nice as I have one at 17 or so inches that really performs well.

My question was a widget example 26.5gr h322 abc 68gr works good in most all 6ppc to begin with then the nuances and tweeks make it agg better.

One more question jackie, does the Higher accuracy velocity node that ya'll prefer agg better because of higher pressure load.

Re phrased is a higher presssure load more consistant than a lower pressure?

Do any of you mix powders say .5lb N133 and .5lb of H322 to add temp stability and adjust the speed to achieve better average groups?
 
Viper

There are very good shooters who mix powders. I tried it a number of years ago and just went back to straight N133.
The reason I prefer the upper load window is there does seem to be a wider tune window up there. I think it does seem to have something to do with the efficiency of how the powder burns. One thing is for sure, it sure burns clean up there.
As far as I know, the minimum length on legal NBRSA and IBS Rifles is 18 inches........jackie
 
Thanks for the information.

I try to learn something new everyday.

Sometimes I ask too many questions.

Started thinking about the powder thing might be harder to tune do to combining the varition of lots on two different powders.

one faster the other slower

both slower

both faster

one slower the other faster. hmmm more variables less control and consistancy.
 
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