Leupold Comp Scopes

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Tod Soeby

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I don't usualy post here.....I'm from the other side of the tracks(600-1k).;) I am considering a 40 or 45x Leupold Comp for 1K competition. You guys over here use them almost exclusivly!!! I have never actualy looked through one. I was reading over at the 6BR site the other day to see what they were saying about the scopes in general. They said NEVER buy a Leupold Comp scope without looking through it first. Evedently they have a problem with canted reticules, among other things. I did notice that the artical was written a while back.....has Leupold gotten some of the bugs worked out. I know one of the problems is tracking and POI shift from shot to shot. I compeated last year in 1K with an off the shelf 8.5-25 LRT. I would think that it would be worse than the comp scopes in most regards. Obviously, if I get a comp scope I can't "freeze" it.

What I realy want is a NF 12-42, but can't make weight.......What I REALY, REALY want is a March 10 - 60........REALY, REALY ,REALY WANT......BUT.......Can't make the payments!!!:mad:

I see Leupolds pop up in the classifieds, but they are usualy gone in a flash. I I worry that the reason they are selling them is because they are the ones with the problems.

What say you??? I know that I used to spend some time over here and scope problems were a BIG deal for you guys.

Thanks,
Tod Soeby
 
By Far...

Most of the the scopes used in Benchrest matches World wide are Leupolds. This is true because of their excellent performance optically and mechanically as well as their excellent warranty service. One need not fear buying a used Leupold Gold ring scope since the factory will fix it regardless if you are the original owner or....have a purchase slip.

The vast majority of the Competition Leupolds are performing satisfactorily, however there is one guy (forget the name now) that will freeze this series of Leupold. Someone else chime in here. Of course, you will have to get an external adjustable scope mount to accommodate it. They are not cheap.

Some of the shooters have switched to the March scope and seem satisfied that it has solved the changeable "point-of-impact" problems of other scopes. Time will tell. Who knows after a few years....

My advise is; if you find a "Composition" Leupold scope for sale that you can afford, buy it. You will have what the majority of the benchrest shooters still use and win with.

Good shopping...virg
 
virg said:
Most of the the scopes used in Benchrest matches World wide are Leupolds. This is true because of their excellent performance optically and mechanically as well as their excellent warranty service. One need not fear buying a used Leupold Gold ring scope since the factory will fix it regardless if you are the original owner or....have a purchase slip.

The vast majority of the Competition Leupolds are performing satisfactorily, however there is one guy (forget the name now) that will freeze this series of Leupold. Someone else chime in here. Of course, you will have to get an external adjustable scope mount to accommodate it. They are not cheap.

Some of the shooters have switched to the March scope and seem satisfied that it has solved the changeable "point-of-impact" problems of other scopes. Time will tell. Who knows after a few years....

My advise is; if you find a "Composition" Leupold scope for sale that you can afford, buy it. You will have what the majority of the benchrest shooters still use and win with.

Good shopping...virg
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Bob Brackney is one that will freeze the competition series from Leupold and furnishes an excellent adjustable rear mount. Last one I had done cost $500. Leupold may have solved some of their problems since I bought another one since the one Bob worked on and it seems to be doing OK. I also have a fixed power March that is holding up well but considering the way I shoot some have suggested I couldn't tell if a scope was broken or not. :)
 
just a opinion, but I think that sometimes some magnification needs turned down, just to lessen the mirage. Fixed power scopes will not allow you to do this. Again, JMHO



Ron Tilley
 
Tod, I have LCS 40x's and 45x's. I like the 40x better for 600 yards. I can't see 6mm bullet holes at 600 anyway so I'd rather be able to acquire my hold point quickly and I can seem to do that better with a 40x.

I personally believe there is a big misconception on the Leupold Competition scopes as to their reliability. IMO, some of the perceived problems is operator error and some is where barrels are not properly tightened.
 
What are you guys talking about when you say you freeze a scope. I have never heard that before.
 
Tod

Many shooters have had issues with the Leupold Comp Seriers, but glass was never one of them. I think that the Leupold Comp Series has the finest glass of any scope I have looked through, and I have owned NXS Night Forces, and I currently own three 50x March Scopes.


DanK.... In 100-200 yard Benchrest, we must have a scope that will hold Point of Aim 100 percent, shot after shot. If it will not, it is a usless piece of junk, whether it cost $200, or $2000.

There have been issues with every major manufacturer for decades. In our opinion, they just don't "get it".

So, about 4 years ago, some interprising souls developed rock solid external adjustable mounting systems, and others,
me include, figured out a way to strip down scopes, and freeze,(permantly fix), the erector tube so that it could not shift. I used this system for over three years with good success.

I have since moved to the March, who finally took our issues seriously. While othe manufacturers touted optics, coatings, and tracking, March just said, "the darned thing will stay put". For $2200, a piece, I sure hope so......jackie
 
I have a 40x comp. From the git-go it had POI problems. It went back to Leupold and they replaced about half its innards. That made it better, but still not as good as a B&L 36x I had. I sent it to Cecil Tucker for his Tucker Mod and it has had a rock steady POI since. The glass has always been great. Alot of people shoot Leupolds, but if you look close, alot also have Tucker Mods on them.

The veritable powers have the advantage in heavy mirage conditions.

Bob
 
Ted...

...here's one on e-Bay right now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320346529085&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

It may go cheap because it has some ring marks, that quite frankly, will probably be covered up when you mount it anyway. If you buy a used scope, before you ever use the thing, pack it up, send it to Leupold, and ask them to check the parallax accuracy, collimation, turret adjustment accuracy, etc. I own three, and all three were used scopes when I bought them. I bought mine for $800, $725, and $630...all within the first year or so of their release, when everyone was badmouthing them. They have all been good scopes for me...
 
tillroot1 said:
just a opinion, but I think that sometimes some magnification needs turned down, just to lessen the mirage. Fixed power scopes will not allow you to do this. Again, JMHO



Ron Tilley
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Hey Ron,

I don't think mirage is a big problem where I do my shooting. At Harris, MN I shot all 10 matches last year and there was some mirage, but it does not seem it would be a problem there given the landscape. Also , I got to Pella, Ia. a couple of times last year, and mirage doesn't seem like it would be a big deal there, either as we shot in some warm, calm days and there was very little boil. As far as Thunder Vally, With the sight path so far above the ground, I can't see that it would be a big deal there, either. I just want more than the 25X I have now. I guess I used the Gene Davis 3X booster some last year which brought me to 32X, but I could never get the crosshair in very crisp.....a little disconcerting to say the least!!

Of course, all this is comming from a rookie, so what-N-L do I know:D

Thanks for the imput,
Tod
 
Why not try a Weaver?

I would purchase a used or new Weaver T36. Tracking in mine has been wonderful and most would agree the tracking of the T36 is usually very good. The quality of the optics can vary so if possible I would look through a used one prior to buying. Cost would be 1/2 to 5/8 less than the Leupold and you could find out if you like the higher power fixed scopes.

Mike.
 
Has anyone had issues with POI changing on the Weaver T36?
 
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topwater225 said:
Has anyone had issues with POI changing on the Weaver T36?
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all 3 of them I've had over the years eventually developed POI problems. Weaver repair used to be good, then questionable, but have heard it has improved recently. They are a decent value and ok optics. When they work, they work well. --Greg
 
Stormbringer said:
I would purchase a used or new Weaver T36. Tracking in mine has been wonderful and most would agree the tracking of the T36 is usually very good. The quality of the optics can vary so if possible I would look through a used one prior to buying. Cost would be 1/2 to 5/8 less than the Leupold and you could find out if you like the higher power fixed scopes.

Mike.
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I guess if I was to go with a 36 x, I could use my leupold 36x. I have an old scope that Priemier worked on. For some reason they moved the paralex adjustment from the objective lense to the main tube just in front of the turrets. Why they did this is beond me. I have never really tried this scope to see if it is any good. I know it isn't as bright as the newer scopes. I had Premier check out the scope a couple of years ago, and they said it was old, and they hadn't done this type of work in a long time. It checked out OK. Can anyone shed some light on the what's and why's of this conversion?
 
Mike

Tracking means nothing in Benchrest, whether it be point blank or long range. If it will not hold POA, it is worthless
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I have had a multitude of Weavers apart. There isn't anything special in there. It is your standard "universal Japanese Design" Scope.

In fact, on some I have taken apart, the gimble joint had already developed slack, which is a sure fire death stroke if you expect the scope to perform up to Benchrest Standards.........jackie
 
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