Lets talk about a 6ppc!!

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skeetlee

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I have been thinking about a 6ppc build for a while now. I am not real sure i like the short game as opposed to the long range game, but if i decide to someday soon build a rifle for the short game could i use a stiller predator single shot action and be competitive? I know most folks use higher end custom actions but i am really impressed with the affordable predator's. I also when it comes to the short game every little bit counts. I have a good friend that hangs out here and he can shoot!! He is at a big shoot this weekend at St Louis gun club and he just texted me his first four scores. 1's and 2's and he is still in 25th place. I guess what i am asking is can i take a stiller predator action (single shot) and have a krieger barrel chambered for a 6ppc, use the recoil lug and buy a McMillan stock and be competitive as long as i do my part of course? Is there that much difference in base line custom actions and the high end actions as far as accuracy is concerned? Thanks Lee
 
There are better ways to go if you want a competitive 6PPC. I have a Stiller PredatorV (which can't be had with a PPC boltface, AFAIK), and I like it very much for a pronghorn rifle. But you could buy a new Viper for the same amount (since the Viper doesn't need scope bases, and comes with rings and a trigger guard). The Viper is a better platform for a 6PPC for several reasons, not least of which is that is has a trigger carrier (not trigger pins, as the PredatorV) suitable for a glue-in.

An alternative route is a used rifle with a competitive action. I still think this is the best way to get into the game.

Toby Bradshaw
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NO.
That's easy.

Read any books on Benchrest???
With a Capitol "B".
Answer still "NO".

Ever gone with your Friend to a Benchrest shoot????

Still NO.

At least you came the BC.
One of the best places to get an answer.

Still NO.

Now here's why the big NO.

There are 3 books out there. Read any??????

Benchrest is in your area. Been to any matches??? How about a tournament????

Like Charles indicates. You need a huge desire. To win. Rain or shine. Hot to Freezing.

You don't have a firearm.

And the last +30 yrs shooting Benchrest.

That is what it takes to be competitive.

Lee. I am a new guy, also.
I have read the books.
I have a used gun. It has won many things. But, the operator is one of the best. Not me.
I have been to 4 tournaments. I shot the Super Shoot this year. Had a great time.
Drive over to Kelbly's. They have a used gun rack.

The current winning combo.
+30 yrs shooting Benchrest.
6PPC.
Bat action.
Scoville stock.
Krieger barrel.
Dwight Scott as the Gunsmith.
Leupold 45X. Maybe March. Got $2400 for a March scope. The price maybe off.
N-133 powder.
Fed Primer.

Oh, Yea. I heard there were a lot of Hottenstein bullets shot at the WBC.

SkeetLee.
It's a long road. Welcome to the club. :)
I am hooked.
I bought a used firearm. 6PPC.
After sighting in the scope. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round went in the same hole. I was hooked. This was fresh brass. Neck turned. First firing. Fresh brass. 100y. :D:D:D
That was last August.
This year. My second Group match. Local club. I was leading, until the 5th relay. I was second by .008". Is that great or what?????
Anyway. Welcome.
Tim B.

SkeetLee.
The Show me Shoot/Tournament is still going on. Tomorrow.
Drive on over. And just walk around. Introduce yourself. Tell them I am a New guy. Shake some hands.

I did that last year. At WWCCA. And Bill Gammon talked my ear off for 3 hrs.
Bill Gammon is one of the Big Shots of Benchrest. He sponsors "The Best Female Shooter Trophy" at the Super Shoot. A real nice guy.

I know a few shooters from MI are going to be there.
St. Louis is supposed to be a real nice range.

Hi Lee.
I was only questioning the desire. Sounds like you have it. And some more.
Thank you for the explanation.
I am not sure, I can answer your question.
Shotgunning is different.

I was watching some really good shooters at the Super Shoot.
Very meticulous in set up. Shoot a fouler/sighter. Then, they just sit there. No hurry.
Of course, working very hard. Watching the flags. Waiting. Waiting.Waiting.
I try that. And I almost run out of time.
Always shooting at the same target. Waiting. And waiting.
I am a hunter picker. Try to find a steady condition. Match that on the sighter.
Last weekend. I learned how to chase a shot. :mad:

Action wise. Call your gunsmith.
 
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I am no stranger to competitive shooting. The rifle shooting is fairly new but i have competed in shotgunning sports for several years at both state and national level with much success!! Winters get long and boring here in IL and we case coyotes when there is nothing else to do. that is what started my interest in rifle shooting. I have competed in a few local rifle shoots and did quite well!! I probably read more than most, as i am very interested in this sport. I am not sure the short game is going to be a game i care to do, so i dont want to invest much only to find out it isn't for me. F-class type of shooting seems to have my attention the most at this point. The reason i asked about the predator action is simply because i have a couple of them, and they shoot wonderfully!! I have shot some incredible groups with them. I figured it would be cheaper for me to chamber up a couple of barrels rather than buy a hole new rig or even a used one. as far as doing my part, well there is only so much i can do at this point and that would still be considered doing my part. I shoot pretty good for no more experience than i have. I am a natural shooter, or at least i have the desire to be a good shot. I started out on the bottom when i picked up a shotgun for the first time and ended with a state championship. So i really dont need anyone questioning that. I am just looking for a way to use the equipment i already have. I know there is better and other than speed i am still a bit uncertain as to what makes one action better than another when they are both machined to highest standards. Also something i really dont understand is the difference between a glued in action as apposed to a recoil lug. I have read before that a glued in action tends to be more accurate, and i am not questioning that at all, i just dont see why or how?? I am not sure what rifle discipline i will settle in on, probably f-class but i was wanting to explore all option before i settle in. I started shooting trap when i first pick up a shotgun then moved to skeet. I won some cash in both but i never really felt fulfilled until i started shooting sporting clays. The challenge of the different targets and the difficulty of a 60 yard crosser grabbed my by my kahunas!! I went through a lot of cash buying different shotguns for different games. I would like to think i wont have to go down that road again. so there again just looking to use what i have. Thanks Lee
 
If you use a single shot predator

the only thing you really give up is the trigger hanger and a cone bolt. The standard Predator single shot comes in a ppc if requested. The predator V doesnt currently come that way, but may in the future. It has the 308 boltface and now 223 in works. If you want a RBRP gun, the predator will definately get you there. If not, the Viper is not much more money. Unfortunately, the availability of the Vipers is not quite as good at the moment. I have lots of DBack drop PPCs in both RBLP and RBRP I will let go for the price of a Viper drop though. Only issues with the drops is that they are dedicated to ppc or br cases, but not both at the same time.
 
Not you again!! This guy follows me around harassing my post all because i didnt want to buy his rifle. I thought about buying it and decided against it, and this Eddie character has been bitter ever since. He is bitter by nature though. Read some of his other posts. Eddie you need to learn some table manners. Have a good day.
I have decided to just stick with the equipment i have for now. I am just too indecisive about the short game to invest any money at this point. One minute i think i will and the next i dont. I like to be at least 90% sure before i make a move or invest this kind of cash. I have a 22BR that will allow me to play at the local level. I tied for first with it at the last varmint shoot but ended up second on x count. So it shoots pretty well. Thanks fellas!! and thanks Jerry!! Lee
 
Hi Lee.
We shoot some Score up here. Most shoot 6PPC. That 22BR sounds like a nice gun.:)
We shoot Varmint at the local club(paper varmints). I use a Savage M12 .223 rem. For factory class.
After installling a forearm adapter. To use on my BR rest. It shoot real nice, now.
Sounds like you might be set up. Could make your 22BR a switch barrel.....
 
I have thought about a 30BR barrel. The problem i am having with all this is that i just dont know where or what discipline i want to concentrate on yet. About all we have is short range stuff around here. Dont get me wrong the short game is ok, but it seems you have to be perfect or you loose. I am by no means perfect. I quit shooting registered skeet because of the pressure. One lost target and your OUT!!! That's kinda like the short game. One flyer and your out!! I just didnt enjoy the pressure. This is supposed to be fun!! I have a good friend thats at the East West shoot this weekend and he has been keeping me up to date with his shooting. He was sitting in 4h [place after Saturdays shooting. He must have had a bad group today because he called all shook up. He is a heck of a shooter too. To shoot perfect scores you have to practice every day. as a 35 year old husband and father of two girls i dont have that kind of time. I tried that when i was at the top of my shotgunning, and home life wasnt all that sound. But thats what you have to do to win in any shooting sport. All i want is to be respected and maybe looked at as a threat when my truck pulls into a match. Whether that match will be an f-class or a bench match, i dont know!! I am really thinking f-class will be my game as i like to shoot prone, and i like the possibilities of different calibers. Short game is 6ppc. Everyone on the line will also be shooting a 6ppc. I like the different spices life has to offer. Besides i could always blame a bad day of shooting on the caliber i was shooting that day, thats pretty hard to do with a 6ppc. Anyway i dont mean anyone any harm with all the questions i have, i guess i am just looking for my place in this game. Thank you all for responding to my posts. I really enjoy talking rifles stuff with you fellas!! Lee
 
I think the top shooters do a better job of eliminating mistakes than others. They aren't perfect either. Show up with good equipment and eliminate correctable mistakes....if it's your day, it's your day. The pressure is part of what makes this sport what it is. It affects all of us to some degree. I think this applies to any kind of shooting competition. Competition makes us better shooters. I try to focus on what I'm doing, right and wrong. I make my own pressure regardless of who I'm shooting against. I just think it's part of the game that I love.--Mike Ezell
 
Lee it sounds like you are mixing apples and oranges. Sorta.
In Benchrest Score. Miss a 10 and you are out.
Benchrest Group. The group can be as big or as small as conditions will allow.
And equipment.....
It's easier to come back after a big group. I have noticed, that most shooters on a given relay, will have about the same group. Given their experience, equipment and capabilities.
If the best shooter has a big group. So will most of the shooters on that relay.
As a new guy. I have to agree with Mike.
Oh, yea. Get the wife and girls involved in shooting. It is a family sport, after all. :)
 
From a fellow former clay target shooter, get a .30, put on a T-36, load like on the 30BR page, get a couple of flags and a couple of wind probes and go shoot. Shoot to shoot clean and let the X's fall where they may.

Greg J.

PS: I quit skeet to raise a family. I know where you're coming from about that.
 
skeetlee said:
I have thought about a 30BR barrel. The problem i am having with all this is that i just dont know where or what discipline i want to concentrate on yet. About all we have is short range stuff around here. Dont get me wrong the short game is ok, but it seems you have to be perfect or you loose. I am by no means perfect. I quit shooting registered skeet because of the pressure. One lost target and your OUT!!! That's kinda like the short game. One flyer and your out!! I just didnt enjoy the pressure. This is supposed to be fun!! I have a good friend thats at the East West shoot this weekend and he has been keeping me up to date with his shooting. He was sitting in 4h [place after Saturdays shooting. He must have had a bad group today because he called all shook up. He is a heck of a shooter too. To shoot perfect scores you have to practice every day. as a 35 year old husband and father of two girls i dont have that kind of time. I tried that when i was at the top of my shotgunning, and home life wasnt all that sound. But thats what you have to do to win in any shooting sport. All i want is to be respected and maybe looked at as a threat when my truck pulls into a match. Whether that match will be an f-class or a bench match, i dont know!! I am really thinking f-class will be my game as i like to shoot prone, and i like the possibilities of different calibers. Short game is 6ppc. Everyone on the line will also be shooting a 6ppc. I like the different spices life has to offer. Besides i could always blame a bad day of shooting on the caliber i was shooting that day, thats pretty hard to do with a 6ppc. Anyway i dont mean anyone any harm with all the questions i have, i guess i am just looking for my place in this game. Thank you all for responding to my posts. I really enjoy talking rifles stuff with you fellas!! Lee
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-If short range BR is prevailent in your area , why would you not take advantage of that convenience? If family comes first,why compromise that with extended travel time?
-If you think point blank range is a "sudden death" type of event, then you certainly don't understand long-range BR....drive countless miles to shoot just a couple shots if you don't make the cut.
-Without exception the competitors I know that do CONSISTANTLY well, PRACTICE A LOT....and the best of the best never shoot a perfect score or agg.
-If you want to be perceived as a tough competitor, believe me there WILL be lots of pressure and expenditures in components, money, and time to get to that level.
- Any seasoned competitor knows the extremely fine line to keeping a rifle in tune, the 6PPC is certainly no exception--despite 30 years of use by thousands of competitors, yet the load combinations still vary greatly from competitor to competitor.
 
I here MR Harren is quite the shot and a fabulous gunsmith as well. I guess i just need to figure out what it is i want to shoot. I have been thinking about this topic most of the day now. I think the truth is that i am a little intimidated by the 6ppc. There is a mountain of learning to do with this chambering. My Buddie try's to explain to me what all is involved with finding a great load. I am pretty sure my problem is that i dont trust my abilities to do this properly. It just seems to me that you really need to know whats up to get the ppc to shoot to its potential. I dont think i have that ability yet. My reloading techniques are a step above basic but not a very big step above. I prep my brass the best i know how, i dont turn necks or weigh anything, except powder. I dont sort brass, i dont measure and sort bullets by the ogive, I havent done any of the necessary things to make this cartridge shoot itty bitty holes, and like i said, when i get honest with myself it seems a bit overwhelming. When i read about the f-class guys they dont turn necks much anymore, and they dont seem to be as involved in the hole process as the ppc guys. The hole loading for conditions thing has be baffled, i must admitt. The f-class guys load at home and some of them dont even sort brass or measure bullets. I am not saying they are all that relaxed, but their does seem to be a difference, at least to me there does. I am having fun with my little 22BR at local matches, so maybe this is good enough for me at least for now?? I also think sometimes the best way to learn about the ppc is to just jump in with both feet and do it. I really appreciate you fellas here and i hope i am not to bothersome. I just enjoy this stuff a lot!! Lee

Oh and i dont know squat about long range BR Either. My shooting buddy (Mason) is going to give it a go this year, so i will have someone to go with and learn from. My buddy is a heck of a short range shooter and a good fella. We will learn the sport together. I think i am really going to enjoy it. I have a 6dasher and a 6x47L to shoot with, so i should be ok there. My loads are shooting really well so far, but i dont really no what really well means as far as what wins and what doesnt. I will learn!
 
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