Krieger CM versus STAINLESS barrels

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AlbertaAl

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When it comes to CM (Chrome Moly) versus STAINLESS barrels.
Would you buy CM ?
why or why not....
any accuracy issues between these two ?
 
Several years back I helped a couple of friends spec' out matching lightweight mountain rifles. Due to the contour, caliber and anticipated temperatures in which they were to be used Krieger told us that 416 stainless would not be suitable. We used Ceracoated chromoly barrels and they worked just fine. Of course they were instructed to take suitable care of the barrels to prevent corrosion during storage.
 
As someone who has made a lot of money over the years replacing neglected CM barrels I would recommend SS. No difference in accuracy or barrel life.
 
stainless versus CM

Thanks for your comments.
Thus far, from my own personal research.
I've read that the CM barrels are harder then stainless and require a longer break-in period...
Stainless barrel is easier to manufacture with a higher degree of rifling definition... so better accuracy and speeds up "pet load" building ?
Apparantly the CM will outlast the stainless in rounds fired...so is CM a better choice for hot calibres ?
CM barrels are not tolerant of moisture therefore require more care when being shot or stored.
 
Thanks for your comments.
Thus far, from my own personal research.
I've read that the CM barrels are harder then stainless and require a longer break-in period...
Stainless barrel is easier to manufacture with a higher degree of rifling definition... so better accuracy and speeds up "pet load" building ?
Apparantly the CM will outlast the stainless in rounds fired...so is CM a better choice for hot calibres ?
CM barrels are not tolerant of moisture therefore require more care when being shot or stored.

Barrel break in?? What needs breaking in and why.
 
I actually get a real big kick out of the care of have we now reached the point of not knowing how or just become that lazy.

JLouis
 
I have done alot of both

And both shoot the same. Your not really breaking in the bbl, you are breaking in the throat that you just cut.
The smoother the throat, the faster the break in.

Richard
 
"I've read that the CM barrels are harder then stainless and require a longer break-in period... "

Call Bartlein barrels and ask that question. They have the mill certs for every lot of steel. Also if you have to break in a barrel you bought it from the wrong company.


"Stainless barrel is easier to manufacture with a higher degree of rifling definition... so better accuracy and speeds up "pet load" building ? "

Funny thing every competitor I know for the last 39 years uses SS.

"Apparantly the CM will outlast the stainless in rounds fired...so is CM a better choice for hot calibres ? "

See below.



I'll pass this along but then you have gathered all the data, it must be correct it's on the internet, to form an opinion.


Two major ammunition manufacturers. Pressure and velocity barrels. Same magnum caliber. All testing done according to SAAMI protocols. Obviously pressure and velocity monitored very closely and recorded in detail. One uses SS the other CM. Guess what? Each company replaces barrels at the same round count. That's science not old wives tails.
 
HOBB them throats glasshoppell (I miss Calfee)

Bingo.

I believe barrel break-in is pretty much nonsense, and with all the cleaning and scrubbing, and back and forth, if your equipment and technique aren't perfect, you're more apt to hurt your barrel than to do it any perceived good.

What would happen if you were to drag a piece of clay across your finger nail? The clay is going to come off on your nail...all day long. What you're not going to do is wear down your fingernail with the clay. You may eventually smooth it out a bit, but that's about it. Still gonna be a fingernail, and will still snag clay. The nail is harder than the clay, so the clay gives. Now think about that in the context of a barrel and bullet.

If you have a burr or imperfection in your bore, I am highly skeptical that barrel break-in is going to do anything meaningful to this imperfection other than to knock the edges down.

What barrel break-in will do is knock the edges down in the neck/throat area caused by the chambering process, that, until smoothed out, will collect copper.

But that is a lot of work, time, and components to do it that way. The same result can be achieved by wrapping a patch around a plastic bore brush, working a little non-imbedding lapping compound into said patch, and with a proper bore guide in place, short stroking the neck/throat area 20-30 times. In 5 minutes, those edges are gone. If you have a borescope, the before and after is as plain as day. Clean it up, and proceed with load developement.

It pains me to think of all the time, energy, and bullets I wasted on barrel break-in before I learned the above, courtesy of, IIRC, Dave Tooley.

Justin
 
When it comes to CM (Chrome Moly) versus STAINLESS barrels.
Would you buy CM ?
why or why not....
any accuracy issues between these two ?

Posting the question again to get everyone back on-track
 
Posting the question again to get everyone back on-track

AlbertaAl,

Read the two posts by Dave Tooley again. The answers to your questions are contained within.

I'm dating myself here, but like EF Hutton, when Dave Tooley speaks, people listen.

Justin
 
The only reasons that I would buy CM are either aesthetic, or as I stated earlier, where stainless would not be safe, due to temperature. I have not done any classic, high grade walnut and blued steel builds, so all of the barrels that I have put on have been stainless.
 
And if your looking for a barrel that doesn't rust, remember it is "Stain-less", not "Rust-free". We have plenty of used 416R barrels in storage that have a rust patina.
 
The only reasons that I would buy CM are either aesthetic, or as I stated earlier, where stainless would not be safe, due to temperature. I have not done any classic, high grade walnut and blued steel builds, so all of the barrels that I have put on have been stainless.
Perfect response ..thanks
 
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