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Big Shurl
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Where can I find a schedule of shoots near Charlotte NC.
Not sure what all exists closer... but you're about 2.5 hrs from Camp Butner, which has a pretty active HP/F-Class shooting club - they just had the 2009 FCNC there in October.
Check out the North State Shooting Club website for more info
Check out the North State Shooting Club website for more info
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Greg Culpepper
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And Oak Ridge Sportsmans Club in Oak Ridge, TN.
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hdroadkingc
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Rifle Shoot
The Charlotte Pistal and Rifle Club has a shoot the first Saturday of every month. It is located on the SC/NC line close to Indian Land, SC. You dont have to be a member to shoot in the match.
The Charlotte Pistal and Rifle Club has a shoot the first Saturday of every month. It is located on the SC/NC line close to Indian Land, SC. You dont have to be a member to shoot in the match.
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Big Shurl
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Thanks Road King. Are you positive that's a benchrest match?
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Greg Culpepper
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I'm confused. What kind of matches do you wish to shoot with your Savage F-Class?
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Big Shurl
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Any match where I can use some form of rest. Bi-pod , benchrest , bags. I thought the shoot at Charlotte rifle and pistol was a standing, sitting, and prone match. My new savage weighs 14 pounds and is seriously front heavy. I don't think I could shoot it very well off hand.
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Big Shurl
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Greg do you ever eat at Famous Louise's? Whenever I just want to do some tent camping I do it right there in your back yard on Wisemans View.
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El Paso Mark
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What caliber? After you shoot it a bit I'd be interested in your thoughts on the gun in general and the action in specific (Does that make sense? Can't think straight at the moment). Thanx.
Cheers,
Mark
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Greg Culpepper
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Big Shurl,
Had my first meal at the Rock House in 1968 when I first camped on Wiseman's View. As you may know that restaurant has quite a history. It was built in 1937 as a road house first and people would come from 30 miles to drink, dance and fight. Because of its remote location and the fact that it straddles three countys we have our own one (small) room jail . Look for it across the road behind the filling station. Things are quieter now. By the time Louise celebrated the completion of her purchase with a community mortgage burning party with 250 of her closest friends, I was among the honored guests for my lifetime contribution toward that happy day, 5 bucks at a time.
In those early days (for me) the Green Beret's did their mountain training here and operated a radio repeater station on the second floor. We'd catch rides in their trucks to grab lunch some days. It took me twenty years to get up here for good. When you leave Louise's on your way to Wiseman's View we're the first house on the right past the church. Stop by. The dogs won't bite.
You'll want to shoot the 600 yd BR matches at Piedmont near Rutherfordton. We've got a great crowd!
Greg
Had my first meal at the Rock House in 1968 when I first camped on Wiseman's View. As you may know that restaurant has quite a history. It was built in 1937 as a road house first and people would come from 30 miles to drink, dance and fight. Because of its remote location and the fact that it straddles three countys we have our own one (small) room jail . Look for it across the road behind the filling station. Things are quieter now. By the time Louise celebrated the completion of her purchase with a community mortgage burning party with 250 of her closest friends, I was among the honored guests for my lifetime contribution toward that happy day, 5 bucks at a time.
In those early days (for me) the Green Beret's did their mountain training here and operated a radio repeater station on the second floor. We'd catch rides in their trucks to grab lunch some days. It took me twenty years to get up here for good. When you leave Louise's on your way to Wiseman's View we're the first house on the right past the church. Stop by. The dogs won't bite.
You'll want to shoot the 600 yd BR matches at Piedmont near Rutherfordton. We've got a great crowd!
Greg
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Big Shurl
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That's really very cool history greg. My first trip to Wiseman's View, I was about 17 and up their with some buddies. Anyway we were at the view drinking and goofing off with our girlfriends. I had my flashlight and the stars were shining. We kept seeing lights across the gorge kind of moving and flashing. I thought it was campers flashing us or maybe a ridge top road but we assumed it was campers. So I was flashing my flashlight back at the lights and we were laughing and having a good time. These lights were pretty bright and like I said they were sort of flashing and all over the mountain . After a while an older lady and her husband walked up and started saying "Wow look at the Brown Mountain lights". "I've never seen them like this". She kept going on and on about how special it was and that this was one of those once in a blue moon moments. We had no idea. Well I've probably been to Wiseman's View twenty times since then and have never seen the lights again. It was special. Mr Culpepper I really do appreciate your offers and I'll see you at Piedmont in march. You'll know who I am when you see the guy who's shooting a bone stock Savage F-Class.
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Big Shurl
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Couple dumb questions if you guys don't mind. I'll be shooting the 600 yard match at Piedmont that Mr Culpepper recommended. I've never shot a rifle at 600 yards. Will I be able to see my bullet holes with my 60x Bausch & Lomb spotting scope? How much magnification do most guys use for their rifle scopes? Will my fixed 30x Leupold do the trick.
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Greg Culpepper
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Big Shurl,
What cartridge are you shooting? 6mm holes are tough to see at 600 under most conditions. We sight in on clay birds on a low berm at the base of the target frames anyway. Scopes used are a lot like 1K (lots of NF 12-42) but with a shift toward short range BR type glass (Weaver and Sightron 24 and 36x, Leupold Competition and a few March) that you don't see much at the longer distance. Your 30x will be fine. You won't be the only bone stock Savage there. In fact, a bone stock Savage 223 won the Hickory Groundhog Match a couple of years ago against about 275 competitors.
Like you I was 17 when I saw the Brown Mountain lights and I haven't seen them since even living here. It was the first night of that same 1968 camping trip and we saw them from the top of Hawksbill Mountain, straight across Linville Gorge from your viewing position, so I was about 2 miles closer to them than you were. You can imagine many different explanations for the lights until you see them move a mile across Brown Mountain in just a few seconds. Then it's WTF is that! Nobody sees them very often any more. Some think light pollution from Lenior and Hickory obscure them now. I'm looking forward to meeting, shooting and swapping stories with you at Piedmont. Let me know what I might do to help you get a running start with your new rifle.
Greg
What cartridge are you shooting? 6mm holes are tough to see at 600 under most conditions. We sight in on clay birds on a low berm at the base of the target frames anyway. Scopes used are a lot like 1K (lots of NF 12-42) but with a shift toward short range BR type glass (Weaver and Sightron 24 and 36x, Leupold Competition and a few March) that you don't see much at the longer distance. Your 30x will be fine. You won't be the only bone stock Savage there. In fact, a bone stock Savage 223 won the Hickory Groundhog Match a couple of years ago against about 275 competitors.
Like you I was 17 when I saw the Brown Mountain lights and I haven't seen them since even living here. It was the first night of that same 1968 camping trip and we saw them from the top of Hawksbill Mountain, straight across Linville Gorge from your viewing position, so I was about 2 miles closer to them than you were. You can imagine many different explanations for the lights until you see them move a mile across Brown Mountain in just a few seconds. Then it's WTF is that! Nobody sees them very often any more. Some think light pollution from Lenior and Hickory obscure them now. I'm looking forward to meeting, shooting and swapping stories with you at Piedmont. Let me know what I might do to help you get a running start with your new rifle.
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Big Shurl
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I would appreciate anyones advice. The Savage is a 6.5 x 284. I guess what I'll do for the 600 yard match, is sight the gun at 300 yards which is the longest range I have access to and study my ballistics charts. I have no experience with center fire other than hunting so this is all brand new to me. I've got a twenty minute base but not sure whether I need to mount it or not.
It's been eighteen years since I saw the lights. I know the legends but as a christian I believe it's a geological event. Maybe phosphorus.
It's been eighteen years since I saw the lights. I know the legends but as a christian I believe it's a geological event. Maybe phosphorus.
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Greg Culpepper
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Big Shurl,
You won't need your 20 min. base for 600 but it won't hurt anything either. Come up 12 min. from 100 (8.5min from 300) and you'll be good to go. H 4350 and H 4831 are popular choices for 140 or 142 gr bullets. You might find that 49gr. (4350) and 52gr. (4831) would be max loads in your rifle and to be approached with appropriate caution.
I think the lights are ball lightning................whatever that is. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Greg
You won't need your 20 min. base for 600 but it won't hurt anything either. Come up 12 min. from 100 (8.5min from 300) and you'll be good to go. H 4350 and H 4831 are popular choices for 140 or 142 gr bullets. You might find that 49gr. (4350) and 52gr. (4831) would be max loads in your rifle and to be approached with appropriate caution.
I think the lights are ball lightning................whatever that is. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Greg
First things first:
1. Don't buy anything new until after that first match. Going to the match and talking to people there will be far more instructive than hours of internet poking.
2. Don't sight in for 300 yards. Sight in for 600 yards. You'll need to have your bullet strike about 12-14 minutes high. Maybe your ballistic program can show you just how much. If not, use 13 minutes.
To do that, for 100 yard sighting in, make a target with a bull 13 inches above another, sighting bull. Aim at the lower, sighting bull. When your bullet hits the bull 13 inches above that, you're home. If you try this at 200 or 300 yards, you'll need to be a lot higher (i.e., a lot more separation between bulls) so setting up a proper aiming target gets difficult.
3. Piedmont doesn't use pits. you sight in at clay pigeons on the dirt bank below the target. Shoot, then watch the bullet strike through your scope. You probably won't be able to see bullet holes in the target through your spotting scope. After 15 years of long-range shooting (600 and 1000 yards), I've never seen a bullet hole in the target, with either a rifle or spotting scope. Out where it is very dry (California), some say they can, at 600 yards. Young eyes and dry air must be nice.
Welcome to long range competition!
1. Don't buy anything new until after that first match. Going to the match and talking to people there will be far more instructive than hours of internet poking.
2. Don't sight in for 300 yards. Sight in for 600 yards. You'll need to have your bullet strike about 12-14 minutes high. Maybe your ballistic program can show you just how much. If not, use 13 minutes.
To do that, for 100 yard sighting in, make a target with a bull 13 inches above another, sighting bull. Aim at the lower, sighting bull. When your bullet hits the bull 13 inches above that, you're home. If you try this at 200 or 300 yards, you'll need to be a lot higher (i.e., a lot more separation between bulls) so setting up a proper aiming target gets difficult.
3. Piedmont doesn't use pits. you sight in at clay pigeons on the dirt bank below the target. Shoot, then watch the bullet strike through your scope. You probably won't be able to see bullet holes in the target through your spotting scope. After 15 years of long-range shooting (600 and 1000 yards), I've never seen a bullet hole in the target, with either a rifle or spotting scope. Out where it is very dry (California), some say they can, at 600 yards. Young eyes and dry air must be nice.
Welcome to long range competition!
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Big Shurl
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Thanks a lot. I think this info is going to be a big help. I'm going to take your advice and sight my rifle the way you described. I've been doing rimfire benchrest for a year or so but I didn't even know what a ballistics calculator was until you mentioned it and I googled it. Now I just need to find a free or cheap one for my Mac.
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rain164845
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Ballistics Calc
google JBM ballistics, then go to calculations at the top of the page. It is one of the best. And the price is right. It is free to use on the internet.
Joe
google JBM ballistics, then go to calculations at the top of the page. It is one of the best. And the price is right. It is free to use on the internet.
Joe
http://www.jbmballistics.com/calculations/calculations.shtml
I'd say zero @ 100yds and then come up about 10.5-11 moa for the match. Should put you easily in the center, at least as far as elevation is concerned. For windage you're on your own
I'd say zero @ 100yds and then come up about 10.5-11 moa for the match. Should put you easily in the center, at least as far as elevation is concerned. For windage you're on your own
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Big Shurl
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Thanks guys this has been a big help. I hope you folks aren't getting tired of me pulling free info off you folks, but two more question if you don't mind. How many rounds will I need to have for the match at Piedmont or any other average fclass matches? Has anyone used the Isnipe ballistics software for the Iphone. There are 3 or for other ballistics applications for sale in the iTunes store. Does anyone have experience with any of these.
Isnipe http://isnipe.webdiligence.ca/
Isnipe http://isnipe.webdiligence.ca/