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Corbin advertise a BR jacket does anyone use them?If so what is the quality like in comparison to J4.They also make BR dies for making jackets out of tube anyone tried these?I would like to understand the stampping/pressing method of making them.Is there any on line place to look into this process?
Thanks Jim:confused:
 
Jacket making

Jim,
Maybe Eric S. could show detailed pictures of the machines as well as blueprints of all the tooling they use to make all those BR quality jacket.:D
 
it would be interesting don't you think?What does Speer do use tube oe stamp?:D
 
Other than J4......

They ain't close to BR quality.
Butch

I'd bet so Butch... Plus Sierra jackets are OK.... But Sierra ain't to big on sell'n any anyway...

No loss cause J4 is THE jacket by a LOOOOONG shot! Not even close!

cale
 
Jackets

Jackets are made from flat copper guilding material. They use a draw process. I believe to maintain concentricity, they use carbide punches. I can easily make draw dies, and it might be fine to pinch trim in the draw process. I have made draw dies before, but never been around jacket dies. So in order for me to make jackets of greater quality than pistol jackets would require knowing how their dies are designed. I could ask Eric. As far as Speer and Sierra, they are good down to about a .2" agg. For club matches, they will compete, but don't expect teen aggs. Sierra currently list jackets for sell on their website. I would love to make my own draw dies. I would also bet that Speedy has some insights on this. He's very sharp on this subject.

Michael
 
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jacket dies...

If you had to pay a tool & die shop to make a set of progressive dies to make jackets to the tolerances that J4 jackets are made… you’re looking at a 6 figure ballpark. A job I wouldn’t start without half up front. If I currently owned a shop.

Victor
 
Stuff

Well some know what I meant by what I said with regards to blueprints. I just thought I'd get the inside scoop on how to make better jackets.:)
 
Bullet Jackets

During the late 90's, J4 (they were separate from Berger back then) shut down all their jacket machines for a complete rebuild. The jacket shortage this produced resulted in the layoff of 2/3 of our employees and some really tough times for Berger and several other custom bullet makers.

During this time I sent jacket prints to every draw house and stamping operation I found in the Thomas Register. Once each one saw the tolerances we required they all quickly said "not interested".

Now that I understand the process I see that the trick is not in some ancient Chinese secret. Many moons ago, JL Spivey, having been forced out of his partial ownership of Sierra, was highly motivated to go through the tremendous labor and expense of putting all the high precision (tight tolerance) tooling together to make the J4 jackets. We are going through a complete tooling up for 338 cal jackets and I can tell you the expense is substantial.

Fortunately, for all of us precision shooters Mr. JL Spivey had other presses making him money so this effort was a labor of love more than a profitable venture. One could estimate that it was nearly 30 years before he paid for his efforts (especally with the amount of jackets they sold back then).

As you might guess we do not have plans to publicize the prints for tooling and machine design (sorry Rory). I would encourage anyone, who has the resources, to produce precision jackets as this will reduce the burden we face in keeping the supplies up while making enough jackets for ourselves. Even if no one pursues this situation, we will never stop selling J4 jackets to custom bullet makers so do not fear an end to the supply.

Regards,
Eric
 
Tooling

Eric,
I know, after designing the complete tooling for the Fusion hunting bullets loaded at Federal. That's costs are huge for tooling up for bullets manufacture. And of course I wasn't expecting blueprints, but kidding around makes the world go smoothing.
 
Chuck,

We are in hiring mode for a second shift.

Rory,

If I could share these prints with anyone I would share them with you :D

Regards,
Eric
 
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