is there a noticable difference between 300 win mag and 300 win short mag at 600+

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mike in co

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opinions please......

say to justify one over the other in a field rifle......
limit to similar bbl length and wieght.....so reciever wieght is the only wieght savings..or is there ??
just thinking out loud.....

thanks
mike in co
 
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'field rifle' like hunting? While the 300WM offers a little more velocity (125-150fps) neither has enough for shots on game beyond 600.

I personally believe the 300WSM to be more accurate, certainly easier to maintain brass. Making the short action shoot well seems easier to me too. I've put together some incredibly accurate WSM's, quite easily.

al
 
alinwa said:
'field rifle' like hunting? While the 300WM offers a little more velocity (125-150fps) neither has enough for shots on game beyond 600.
al
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If the 300 WM & 300WSM doesn't have enough for shots on game beyond 600 what would be enough for 1,000 yds.? Maybe a 50 BMG or larger?

Just wondering,

gt40
 
I'm currently fiddling with a 338 variant that's pushing 300gr bullets (BC .891) at almost 3000fps. It has more energy left at 1200 yds than the 300WM has at 500yds. I'm getting well under 1/2moa with this setup.

ethical?

in the right hands, yes.

al
 
Al...did I get it rite...you have a .338 based on a 300 WSM.?? and getting lots of vel....wonderful.....tell us more....what freebore,powder, and neck dia...Roger
 
alinwa said:
I'm currently fiddling with a 338 variant that's pushing 300gr bullets (BC .891) at almost 3000fps. It has more energy left at 1200 yds than the 300WM has at 500yds. I'm getting well under 1/2moa with this setup.

ethical?

in the right hands, yes.

al
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You're getting a half MOA at 1200 yards? Every group? Wow. Forget hunting. Take it to some 1K matches and bet on yourself.

I can get 1/2 MOA sometimes at 1K, after sighters, & fouling the barrel. And of course, it's at a known distance . . . then there are other times . . .

BTW, I've never known anyone's mind to change on this topic, so we might as well get off it.
 
Al:
What bullet? ----- Never mind; I read the other thread. The thinner jacket Bergers weren't great for me in a Lapua. I'll be trying the new thicks soon. Berger probably has a supply of the old thinner jackets. They accepted returns and replaced them with the new bullets. Great company willing to try new things.
 
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Charles E said:
You're getting a half MOA at 1200 yards? Every group? Wow. Forget hunting. Take it to some 1K matches and bet on yourself.

I can get 1/2 MOA sometimes at 1K, after sighters, & fouling the barrel. And of course, it's at a known distance . . . then there are other times . . .

BTW, I've never known anyone's mind to change on this topic, so we might as well get off it.
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You make some enormous leaps of logic my friend :)
 
expiper said:
Al...did I get it rite...you have a .338 based on a 300 WSM.?? and getting lots of vel....wonderful.....tell us more....what freebore,powder, and neck dia...Roger
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No Rog, this is a blown out 338 Lapua case which easily holds 100++ grains of powder :)

I'm finding this case to be a wonderful pressure vessel, tough and easy to maintain.

BTW the recoil is FIERCE! I shoot free recoil with large muzzle brakes but this thing will STING your hands and shoulder in a 15lb rifle! I've never seen anything like it. I did a bunch of testing using a 7lb 300RUM loaded hot and it "kicked like a mule" of course but the sharp sting this 338 generates is weird.

BTW the WSM case would push this bullet to about 2500-2550 I'll venture.... might be viable for 1K stuff using about a 7"-8" twist... you could call it the 338 Whimper.

al

al
 
I know of at least one person who considered the idea of a 338 WSM for 1K target use, and I'd be willing to bet they'd be successful at it. Like, really successful. While I do not think the WSM is worth a hill of beans for pushing a 30 cal 240, I'd venture a guess it would work with a 250 338.
 
Mike

Bob Rosen and Danny Brooks know a lot about making 300 Win mags work at long range. Both are IBS champions, Brooks more than once. Then there are Matt Kline, Matt Dines and others that have shown us how it's done with the WSM. As always, it the Indian, not the arrow. Pick one, or an Ackley or a Weatherby or a Norma and get to work. The quality of the brass that you can secure is more important than which chambering it fits. Start there. Then have your reamer cut to work with a production full length resize die of your choice.

Greg
 
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naw...i was truely asking a question...my 1k gun is a 300 win mag.....i got that part....
my question revolves around the current choice by the seal teams to shoot an accuracy international with a 5.5-22 scope in 300 win mag.
i believe they shoot a 190 load....the ammo is mil produced.
i do not know what the current rilfe weighs, was just curious if the 300 short mag would save weight, and still meet the performance of the 300 win mag.
its sort of a general question but thought guys here might have a better picture.
thanks
mike in co
 
well that is sorta the question.
shorter action..a couple of ounce...and then would a shorter bbl match the performance of the 300 win mag ?
am i wishing for too much ??
mike in co

Butch Lambert said:
Mike,
How on the world would it save weight?
Butch
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Ok, That is 3oz., plus with the short action Remington you wouldn't be able to feed from the magazine if you used one with the 300WSM. You would have to seat the VLD bullets too deep.
If 3oz is that much problem shooting off a rest, you need some excersize.
Butch
 
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