goodgrouper
tryingtobeabettergrouper
Anyone out there buy a premium thrower and wish they had bought the premium br thrower instead? Or vice versa?
harrells powder throwers
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Redcrow
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I purchased the Harrell Premium thrower. Best one I ever had. This will throw any powder I will ever use.
Lynwood will go broke if he depends on me...
Well...I bought the first large original design and just can't seem to wear it out. Just keeps throwing as accurate a load as any I've tried.
Well...I bought the first large original design and just can't seem to wear it out. Just keeps throwing as accurate a load as any I've tried.
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J. Pendergraft
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The bearings are caged so you don't have to worry about loose needles if you take it apart. I just bought one. Very nicely made. Lynwood Harrell will tell you that the measure without the bearings is just as accurate.
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yat3b35
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Well...I bought the first large original design and just can't seem to wear it out. Just keeps throwing as accurate a load as any I've tried.
Are you using the charge you throw as is or do you scale weigh it before dumping in case? I have not tried them as I do not load at the range. I scale weigh all my loads.
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Victor N TN
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Harrell's...
A few years ago I made a MS Excel spreadsheet for several rifle powders. It's where I start the settings for my Harrell's Premium. If anyone wants it I'll send it. Just email me and ask for it.
johnsonvw@chartertn.net
Be careful,
Victor
A few years ago I made a MS Excel spreadsheet for several rifle powders. It's where I start the settings for my Harrell's Premium. If anyone wants it I'll send it. Just email me and ask for it.
johnsonvw@chartertn.net
Be careful,
Victor
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BJS6
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I beg to differ that they are + or - 0.1 grains. Maybe with very fine ball powders but certainly not N133 !!
They will OFTEN drop to + or - 0.1 grains N133 but will also vary by up to maybe + or - 0.3 grains here and there as well.
I believe a few guys have done pretty exhaustive tests and confirmed that no measure made is reliable to + or - 0.1 grains as is often stated.
Now whether or not that matters is another story.
They will OFTEN drop to + or - 0.1 grains N133 but will also vary by up to maybe + or - 0.3 grains here and there as well.
I believe a few guys have done pretty exhaustive tests and confirmed that no measure made is reliable to + or - 0.1 grains as is often stated.
Now whether or not that matters is another story.
Pete Wass
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I'm with you here
As hard as I have tried to learn, I have never been able to make any powder measure throw to within .1g; ain't saying it can't be done but I can't do it. I went to an RCBS Chargemaster. It is a lot better than I am! Now, with the advent of the tuner, this may be a moot point; the jury is still out.
As hard as I have tried to learn, I have never been able to make any powder measure throw to within .1g; ain't saying it can't be done but I can't do it. I went to an RCBS Chargemaster. It is a lot better than I am! Now, with the advent of the tuner, this may be a moot point; the jury is still out.
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yat3b35
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I also use the RCBS chargemaster , and it's as fast as me. While dispencing a charge I load the previously charged case and place it in the cartridge box and by then the next charge is ready. I have used an "OLD" Belding and Mull powder measure which was extreamly accurate with ball powder that I used when shooting the .308 Win. many years ago , but it will not throw N133 or H4198 to +or- .1 .
goodgrouper
tryingtobeabettergrouper
I use both the Harrells and the Chargemaster but bought the Harrells two days before the Cactus Classic. I set it up and practiced throwing charges for 30 minutes the night before I left to head down to the match. I brought both to the match just in case I stunk with the Harrells and also so I could check the Harrells with the RCBS 1500 scale that is attached to the chargemaster. The Harrells was off .1 grain on 2 loads of the first 10 I tried. I earmarked those two rounds and fired them onto the sighter target in match 1. Then I fired the other 8 right into the holes of the first two. So the target told me immediately that the .1 grain difference in those first two was meaningless. So I unplugged the Chargemaster and used the Harrells from then on out. And I'm glad I did because the tornado we had to shoot in on SUnday would have been too much for the chargemaster to handle even with it's windshield.
As for speed, there is no question that the Harrells is faster. I can fill 6 or 7 cases in the same time it takes to do one on the Chargemaster. And if it works just as accurately, why not save some time? Plus, now I don't have to haul my battery pack and converter to the range anymore. But if larger kerneled powder is needed, the Chargemaster is still accurate to .1 grain whereas the Harrells is as much as .3 grains off on something as big as H1000 or RL25.
As for speed, there is no question that the Harrells is faster. I can fill 6 or 7 cases in the same time it takes to do one on the Chargemaster. And if it works just as accurately, why not save some time? Plus, now I don't have to haul my battery pack and converter to the range anymore. But if larger kerneled powder is needed, the Chargemaster is still accurate to .1 grain whereas the Harrells is as much as .3 grains off on something as big as H1000 or RL25.
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yat3b35
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My problem with using a measure is that my PPC likes very warm loads ,and I'd hate to dump a charge with a .1 or .2 over as I'm right at max for my rifle at the 29.5 gr load of N133 with 68 gr Hammond bullets. I'm gonna try ,as soon as the temps. warm up a bit , to lower my load by 1 or 2 tenths to see if I still get good results. I may be running a bit to warm as every now and then I have one round getting spit out of the main group,and slightly heavier bolt lift.
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Pete in Surry
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Except for preliminary testing
of something I haven't tried before I do all my loading at home. I have several hundred prepared cases and I load during the week in a controled environment. Because of my not being able to run powder measure accurately, in the run of say 20 throws I have always found some loads that were as much as 4 tenths off and I know for sure with my rifles that 4 tenths will definately change my tune.
Same holds true for bullets. In most lots most of the bullets will measure within .002 but the way I tune, .003 will make my round hole into a pretty big cloverleaf. I have typically found 25 or 30 bullets in 1000 that are way beyond .003 off one way or the other.
So, if one wants to know for sure, one does what some of us do who try to make every loaded round exactly the same. Does it make ME shoot any better; probably not but it sure keeps the rifle cooking.
of something I haven't tried before I do all my loading at home. I have several hundred prepared cases and I load during the week in a controled environment. Because of my not being able to run powder measure accurately, in the run of say 20 throws I have always found some loads that were as much as 4 tenths off and I know for sure with my rifles that 4 tenths will definately change my tune.
Same holds true for bullets. In most lots most of the bullets will measure within .002 but the way I tune, .003 will make my round hole into a pretty big cloverleaf. I have typically found 25 or 30 bullets in 1000 that are way beyond .003 off one way or the other.
So, if one wants to know for sure, one does what some of us do who try to make every loaded round exactly the same. Does it make ME shoot any better; probably not but it sure keeps the rifle cooking.
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yat3b35
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I just got back from the range , a brisk 34 degree day ,over cast and very light wind. I shoot mostly score matches ,but love to see how tight a group I can hold. I shot at 100 yds. on the offical bench rest hunter rifle target . I shot one complete target for score and fired a 49 -4 wo . The fifth round went into the 9 ring. Spit the fifth round out as usual. I then fired for group and my best target was .231" and the only target that my rifle didn't spit one out to far from the main group ,can see two bullet holes. I'm gonna load 29.0 and 29.3 gr of N133 just to see if my load might be a bit on the heavy side. All the powder charges were weighed on the Chargemaster. Gotta be some reason for spitting out one round on each target ,hopefully it's not me doing it all the time.
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Pete in Surry
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yat3b35
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1200 rounds down the tube. Bullet just touching the rifling. I tried jamming up to 10 thousands and working my way away from the rifling , and the just touching spot works best. Now I'm working with powder to see if powder lot variences could be doing me in , which I think might be the problem. I may adjust the neck tention a bit too. Using .002" tention now and think I'll go with .001" and see. My bullets are all from the same lot that I saw Clarence Hammond make last summer , 68gr Hammond. I rechecked the OAL to make sure the barrel wear was not a factor and the seating depth is still the same. .850" bullet length ,not sure of # of ojive , the box is not marked.
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Bresk
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custom 90?
I am thinking about buying a Harrell’s measure and wonder if the custom 90 model is as good as the more expensive. Many things one needs..
I am thinking about buying a Harrell’s measure and wonder if the custom 90 model is as good as the more expensive. Many things one needs..
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J. Pendergraft
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In post #6 I stated that Lynwood Harrell told me that he thinks there is no accuracy difference from one of his measures to the other. The one with the bearings certainly is smooth but does that make it any more accurate? Likely not.