H4895 vs. IMR4895 for 6PPC

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Since H4895 has been used with a decent amount of success by several BR shooters, I was wondering if anyone has tried IMR4895 in the 6PPC? I am only concerned about what is currently available from IMR and Hodgdon. Wondering which one of the two powders would meter the best, and which one delivers the highest velocities. I am aware the the H4895 will only make around 3250 fps, but wonder if the IMR is good for higher velocities.

Michael
 
Michael, the one instance I saw 4895 work in a 6PPC was when Larry Bagget got sick and tired of the verticle in 133, went to Cabelos, bought a pound, drilled out the flash holes to about .080, and won the HV 200 at Kansas City Nationals about 6 years ago.

I think he stated that he doubt it would shoot much better than about a round .400 at 200, but shoot five of those, and you have a good chance of winning.

As far the difference, does Hogdon make two versions now?? As you know, as with some of their powders, such as 4198, there is no longer a "Hogdon", it's all labled IMR.........jackie
 
Jackie,
Is that why my Hodgdon H4198 purchased about a year ago says "Made In USA"? Is it really IMR? Where in the USA is it made?
 
Back a decade or so now, Aussie TR shooters lost access to local military 7.62 NATO ammo & arrangements were made through our NRA for Winchester Australia to assemble ammo for us. It consisted of 2155 Sierra projectiles, Phillipine manufactured Winchester .308 brass, local Varget powder & Winchester brass colored primers that we thought were Aussie military surplus at the time. It was all boxed up in Winchester 20 round card boxes with foam inserts & clearly labelled Made in USA.

You know, I'm pretty darned sure that's exactly where the boxes were sourced.
 
jackie schmidt said:
As far the difference, does Hogdon make two versions now?? As you know, as with some of their powders, such as 4198, there is no longer a "Hogdon", it's all labled IMR.........jackie
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Not sure about the 4198 statement, theres no news of this on the hodgdon web site and the 3 8lbers I just received from PV are labeled Hodgdon H4198 Extreme
Made in Australia
Packaged in USA
t0106
So just trying to figure this out.
 
I am not sure of the availability of IMR or H4895 in your area but I have seen both on the shelf of shops in my area.

The IMR 4895 seems to be cut in longer sticks.

For me both powders seemed to slow for 6PPC with either 65 or 68 grain bullets.

After filling the case half way up the neck I would doubt that either powder would deliver more than 3050 fps with a 68 grain bullet. If you want velocity then H322 and VV133 are better choices.
 
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What TedH said about 4895 (either one) being too slow for the PPC case and the usual bullets. However, if you want to shoot heavy bullets (95 - 105 grain) in the 6PPC, then 4895 is one of the better powders to try. Approx 28 grains will get you up to and over 3000 fps. Yes, it's been done and it works.

Hodgdon, being short cut, will meter the best. As far as loads with the two, you need to work up like you would with any other two powders, even though they have very similar burn rates.

Ray
 
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I have some IMR, and it's shorter and smaller than the H4895, but it's not current production. As far as velocity, I know several shooters that have used H4895 (Larry Baggett, Bro.D, Brian Turnbull, Steve) all of which shoot registered matches. They shoot around 30 gr, and have chronographed velocities around 3250 fps. Now I know the powder is a little slow since I have seen velocities up to 3500 with faster burning powders. The main reason for this thread is to determine if the IMR version is faster since the burn rate of the H is borderlined on being to slow. It is also to determine which one of the to is truley smaller grained. Remember I only am curious about the latest manufactured. I personally have some IMR surplus, and it is definetly hotter and smaller grained than the new extreme H4895. As most of you know, the IMR line of powders were most always a little hotter than the H series. I'm looking for hard facts, not opinions. Does anyone have both of the newly manufactured? If not, the only way for me to find the facts are to buy a pound of each and get out the chronograph. A lot of these guys are using Chargemasters, or another method of weighing charges, so it's getting to the point where burn rate is the key, not how it flows through a measure, but I still like to see a powder that will throw consistent.

Now below is two pictures of what I was referring to before. I thought all Hodgdon powders were made in Australia and packaged in USA, but notice what my H4198 says at the bottom. This was purchased from PV in 2008. Where in the USA was this made?

Michael
 

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Ive used 322 and 322 extreme with much success. But it became obsolete when n133 came on the scene. Its as unstable as you are lee.
 
I shot H4895 for decades until 133 came on the scene.
#1 load as much of H4895 into the case as you can get.
#2 jam the bullet (68gr) about .030 to .040 into the lands.
#3 speed under these conditions out of a 24" barrel was in the neighborhood of 3400 to 3475fps, (done with an Ohler 35)
#4 does this setup induce speed shooting? definitely "NOT"
#5 the burning rate for the H4895 was about the same as 133 unless you got 1994 to 1996 H4895, it was a "LOT" slower.
#6 use Hodgdon only.
Lowell Hottenstein, Larry Bagget and a lot of others used this powder and the outcome was always the same. Agg like crazy, but you will not get small groups with it.
IMR which was made in Canada was the powder of DuPont which has been sold to I don't know.
 
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