This months "Rifle shooter" has an ad about a product the prolongs barrel life indefinitely so the ad claims. They say it is a Nano Ceramic micro com posit the fuses to the inside of the rifle bore at the molecular level. Accuracy increases by 80% velocity increases by 10%,used barrel by 33% . 800% increase in barrel surface wear resistance & endurance. So my question is just how much of a load of crap are these claims? On a 1-10 10 being the bigest lies?
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xringer
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this sounds like a gun oil a shop tried to sell me the guy told me you could put a drop on the back of your hand and your palm would get greasey
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chino69
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Snake oil
Sounds like another snake oil to me. Show me conclusive lab reports from an ANSI/ISO certified lab and I'll pay attention; otherwise it's another snake oil claim.
Historical data:
Hucksters in the late 1800's would travel by wagon and hawk snake oil; miraculous elixirs which were claimed to cure snake bite, gout, rheumatiz, women problems, fatigue, blindness, etc. Oh yes, this magic tonic will also clean 'Ole Bess' and make her shoot like a new rifle.
Lou Baccino
Sounds like another snake oil to me. Show me conclusive lab reports from an ANSI/ISO certified lab and I'll pay attention; otherwise it's another snake oil claim.
Historical data:
Hucksters in the late 1800's would travel by wagon and hawk snake oil; miraculous elixirs which were claimed to cure snake bite, gout, rheumatiz, women problems, fatigue, blindness, etc. Oh yes, this magic tonic will also clean 'Ole Bess' and make her shoot like a new rifle.
Lou Baccino
jackie schmidt
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ISO is an international certification system. The idea is you follow strict pre-determined guidelines in design and production, insuring quality controle throughout the entire manufacturng proccess.
We looked into it a few years back, and said "no". We have pretty strict controle over our work output, as we are a small business. But, in large companies, it is quite common. "We are ISO 901-903 approved" appears on a lot of letter heads.
Keep in mind, this also allows the certification entity to audit your business any time, to insure you are indeed complying. That is something many businesses balk at.
About five years ago, the word was out that if you did not get ISO approved, you were doomed.
That never happenned, in fact, two of our largest customers dropped their's, as they figured it was a waste of time, and money.
Don't get me wrong. Certification entities such as these are needed in some manufacturing and design communities. If required by contract, then you have to make the decision as to whether you are going to comply, or refuse the business..........jackie
ISO is an international certification system. The idea is you follow strict pre-determined guidelines in design and production, insuring quality controle throughout the entire manufacturng proccess.
We looked into it a few years back, and said "no". We have pretty strict controle over our work output, as we are a small business. But, in large companies, it is quite common. "We are ISO 901-903 approved" appears on a lot of letter heads.
Keep in mind, this also allows the certification entity to audit your business any time, to insure you are indeed complying. That is something many businesses balk at.
About five years ago, the word was out that if you did not get ISO approved, you were doomed.
That never happenned, in fact, two of our largest customers dropped their's, as they figured it was a waste of time, and money.
Don't get me wrong. Certification entities such as these are needed in some manufacturing and design communities. If required by contract, then you have to make the decision as to whether you are going to comply, or refuse the business..........jackie
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RStiefel
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American National Standards Institute. I thought that you, as an ironworker, would have known this one. It was taught during your second year as an apprentice.
brian roberts
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Jackie, isn't that ISO certification.........
just another way for some company to make money through "certification"??
(kinda like the IOC[International Olympic Committee]being a "private entity").
I mean, do they REALLY have any actual benefit, or is it a thinly disguised "need" that is more hot air than substance???
just another way for some company to make money through "certification"??
(kinda like the IOC[International Olympic Committee]being a "private entity").
I mean, do they REALLY have any actual benefit, or is it a thinly disguised "need" that is more hot air than substance???
D1.1 steel construction codes
I'm not a shop Iron worker. They just might be taught that in 2nd year of apprenticeship. We build by D1.1 or D1.5 bridge codes.Also AWS ( American Welding Society) ............. But hey back to this "Barrel Liner" Why is it bogus? IHas any one any reviews on this stuff?
I'm not a shop Iron worker. They just might be taught that in 2nd year of apprenticeship. We build by D1.1 or D1.5 bridge codes.Also AWS ( American Welding Society) ............. But hey back to this "Barrel Liner" Why is it bogus? IHas any one any reviews on this stuff?
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Larry Elliott
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Somewhere I read something about this stuff, and the basic answer was that it didn't do anything. Sorry I can't remember where I read this.
Various bore prep/improver products have been advertised and proclaimed for a long time, and to my knowledge none of the "rub it into the bore and your life will forever be wonderful" has done more than make money for their sellers. They're sort of like the stuff that's sold for women to slather on themselves in the hopes that they'll end up looking like the retouched photo of the model in the ads.
Various bore prep/improver products have been advertised and proclaimed for a long time, and to my knowledge none of the "rub it into the bore and your life will forever be wonderful" has done more than make money for their sellers. They're sort of like the stuff that's sold for women to slather on themselves in the hopes that they'll end up looking like the retouched photo of the model in the ads.
jackie schmidt
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Bryan
That's about it. When we had the representative come by and speak to us about all of the 'benefits', it seemed the only real beneficiary would be him, with the check he recieved..........jackie
That's about it. When we had the representative come by and speak to us about all of the 'benefits', it seemed the only real beneficiary would be him, with the check he recieved..........jackie
brian roberts
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Jackie, I kinda thought.................
that was it. I see all these signs: ISO 9001, 9003, 900? But, I have had people tell me there was some worth.....but it seemed to me that it was only any good if EVERYbody climbed on the leaky boat.
that was it. I see all these signs: ISO 9001, 9003, 900? But, I have had people tell me there was some worth.....but it seemed to me that it was only any good if EVERYbody climbed on the leaky boat.