Good Accurate Round for Factory BR

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stevenorlando

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Hello All!

What is a very accurate round for factory BR matches? I'm thinking .223 or .308

Steve
 
Just my opinion, but I would much prefer a .223. We shoot a lot of score matches around here and my shoulder would sure get tired of getting smacked with 100+ rounds of .308. The factory rifles are doing very well in Ultimate Benchrest. Right now a Remington holds the GA record, but a couple of Savages are close. A Cooper .223 was shot off a bipod for a win last W/E at the UBR Nationals.

Rick
 
Greyfox said:
Just my opinion, but I would much prefer a .223. We shoot a lot of score matches around here and my shoulder would sure get tired of getting smacked with 100+ rounds of .308. The factory rifles are doing very well in Ultimate Benchrest. Right now a Remington holds the GA record, but a couple of Savages are close. A Cooper .223 was shot off a bipod for a win last W/E at the UBR Nationals.

Rick
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Thanks!

But what does GA, W/E and UBR mean?

So you know what brands of Remington and Savage?

Steve
 
GA = Georgia
W/E = Weekend
UBR = Ultimate Bench Rest - a relatively new score format that is really catching on

Remington and Savage are brands. I assume you mean what model. Try googling Ultimate Bench Rest, going to the site and seeing if equipment used is listed in the match results. I can't get there from work...blocked.
 
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Back 12+ years ago when I lived in Seattle the range I was a member of had a factory BR shoot every month. A few guys tried .308's, and various other calibers, but most everyone ended up shooting a .223 Rem. Then Rem 700's were the gun to beat, but Savage has upped their game so. No matter how much anyone says that recoil doesn't bother them, after 20 or more rounds fired off the bench it takes a good man to say that a .308 isn't getting to them. We fired 20 rounds at 200 yards and 20 at 300 yards with unlimited sighters, so a guy could easily fire 50 rounds in about 3 hours. With a .223 the only thing to think about was the wind and trigger pull. Watching guys with the .308's it looked to me like they were thinking, this sucker's gonna whack me again and my shoulder's gettin' sore. Maybe we were all sissies, but a good .223 with proper loads will shoot under a half MOA to 300 yards with 52/53 gr bullets. Heavier bullets didn't seem to be the way to go either.
 
If you want to WIN I've got a 1985 vintage Sako BR model in 6PPC USA that will win until they disqualify you. It's probably got 500-800rds left in the factory CM barrel. Barrel looks perfect.

al
 
alinwa said:
If you want to WIN I've got a 1985 vintage Sako BR model in 6PPC USA that will win until they disqualify you. It's probably got 500-800rds left in the factory CM barrel. Barrel looks perfect.

al
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What does CM stand for?

Steve
 
alinwa,
Yea I have one of those Sako's also, I have been disqualified from using it in two rifle clubs and the club I shoot in now has monthly matches and I just stopped using it because I had such an advantage. I'll stick my head out here and say that Sako 6PPC was the most accurate "out of the box" factory rifle ever made.
Dave T
 
DaveT said:
alinwa,
Yea I have one of those Sako's also, I have been disqualified from using it in two rifle clubs and the club I shoot in now has monthly matches and I just stopped using it because I had such an advantage. I'll stick my head out here and say that Sako 6PPC was the most accurate "out of the box" factory rifle ever made.
Dave T
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Dave,

this is my biggest gripe with 'factory class' in any venue (not just shooting!) I've never fired mine in a match and only brought it to a local range twice. It just ain't worth the heartache! You're the instant enemy of every Nascar Lovin' Redneck in the place.

LOL

al
 
Depends on The Club

At the Tomball Gun Club in Tx, we have a Factory Class, but we restrict it to mass produced Rifles with magazines, that are not intended as Factory Target Models. The Sako, Rem 40x, Savage F-Class or BR, and other such offererings can shoot in the Modified Class.

I disagree with the 223 as the best choice, as most Club Matches shoot score. A Savage Varmint Model 12 in 308 can be a hard combo to beat.

Buddy Pulling used to shoot a really nice late 80's model Winchester Varmint model in our Factory Class before he moved into the Benchrest Class. That Rifle was capable of 250 scores.........jackie
 
alinwa said:
If you want to WIN I've got a 1985 vintage Sako BR model in 6PPC USA that will win until they disqualify you. It's probably got 500-800rds left in the factory CM barrel. Barrel looks perfect.

al
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Al,
Is that the SAKO Vixen with the holes in bottom of trigger guard for adjustment? I have a SAKO Vixen in .223 with heavy barrel and the holes in trigger guard. The original box lists the following calibers available in that model as follows; .17 Remington, .222, .223, 22 PPC, 6 PPC. It's the most accurate factory rifle I've ever owned.
 
chino69 said:
Al,
Is that the SAKO Vixen with the holes in bottom of trigger guard for adjustment? I have a SAKO Vixen in .223 with heavy barrel and the holes in trigger guard. The original box lists the following calibers available in that model as follows; .17 Remington, .222, .223, 22 PPC, 6 PPC. It's the most accurate factory rifle I've ever owned.
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As far as I can find out (and I've been asking questions about it since I bought it in '93) it's called an A1 BR, I've never heard it called a Vixen. All the Vixens I've seen were sporters, this has a beavertail forend and a Wasserman swell. It does have two holes in the trigger guard. I bought it from an estate (actually bought 7 guns and all reloading gear to get this one) and fired it about 50-70 times before I got smart. I useta' show off with it (yeahh, I'm THAT kinda' guy) and ended up buying my first real PPC because of it. I took it ground squirrel hunting once. It was boring. Within it's range and in the mornings it couldn't miss but it sure taught me about wind! By 9-10:00 it was all over. Beyond 250yds those liddle pills were wandering off to find their own squeerells. It hasn't been fired for 15yrs now.

It has a weird trigger pull, I've heard it called "European" and "two-stage" but I just call it springy.

I have Coopers. I have had Kimbers. And I've accurized oodles of factory rifles. I've kept the Sako for one reason, it shoots. If there's ever a factory class I'd be interested in.... and "that one guy" shows up....


I'd bring it in


LOL


al
 
alinwa said:
As far as I can find out (and I've been asking questions about it since I bought it in '93) it's called an A1 BR, I've never heard it called a Vixen. All the Vixens I've seen were sporters, this has a beavertail forend and a Wasserman swell. It does have two holes in the trigger guard. I bought it from an estate (actually bought 7 guns and all reloading gear to get this one) and fired it about 50-70 times before I got smart. I useta' show off with it (yeahh, I'm THAT kinda' guy) and ended up buying my first real PPC because of it. I took it ground squirrel hunting once. It was boring. Within it's range and in the mornings it couldn't miss but it sure taught me about wind! By 9-10:00 it was all over. Beyond 250yds those liddle pills were wandering off to find their own squeerells. It hasn't been fired for 15yrs now.

It has a weird trigger pull, I've heard it called "European" and "two-stage" but I just call it springy.

I have Coopers. I have had Kimbers. And I've accurized oodles of factory rifles. I've kept the Sako for one reason, it shoots. If there's ever a factory class I'd be interested in.... and "that one guy" shows up....


I'd bring it in


LOL


al
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Can't find that rifle ANYWHERE!!!!

Steve
 
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