Going rate for Suhl 150-1

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I've been offered a factory 150-1 for a Winchester 52C. What's the current market price for 150-1's in very good condition with sights, really the 150-1 looks new? Just looking to make the deal fair for both sides. Donald
 
Suhl vs. Winchester 52c

I am not a Suhl expert. They show up on gunbroker.com periodically. I have seen them go for around $850 with sights in virtually mint condition. From a pure collector standpoint, the 52c is much more valuable. The folks here who have Suhls speak very highly of them.
See if this helps:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=144427812

It is at $300.00 as I write this, and the reserve has been met. Watch it and see where it goes. They really do show up on gunbroker periodically.

I am not trying to get into something I shouldn't. Just trying to be helpful.

Hopefully some of the Suhl guys that have 52s(I know y'all are out there!) can advise you better.

It really depends on what you want to do with it. Speaking for myself without all the benchrest experience that the people here have, I would love to have a 52c. It is simply an American classic that should be an outstanding shooter. If looking for the foundation for a benchrest rifle, the Suhl is supposed to be great.

I don't ordinarily say anything about subject matters that I don't know enough about. Just hope that this gives you a place to start your homework. With a bit of luck, the Suhl guys can be way more helpful.

Good luck!
Greg
 
you got to look out for the twist rate. not all suhls have the same twist rates. i'd look for a older model with the 1:16 3/4(i believe that is right) twist. i have one and it really really shoots. i put it in a stock i got from a guy i know and haven't been happy with it since. the factory stock was much better. i have a new don stith stock coming for it and i'm sure it will go back to shooting very well. to be honest i've never had a rifle that shot as well as my suhl did. i simply glassbedded it and put a piller in the front action screw hole of the stock.

the 52's are great. you will find great shooters in ethier the suhl or 52. just look into what you are buying before you make any trades.

the one one gb is a newer model. i'd skip it. the twist will be slower. the older ones didn't have the same wood stock as that one. they were lighter and had no grain pattern to them. if you just want to rebarrel the action and restock it go for it. but other than that i'd ski[p one like that.
 
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It will go higher than $300. My guess would be about $750. The thing about a Suhl (not a brand keep that in mind) is some are tackdrivers, some are not, some are will fitted and some are not. I don't know where the 150-1 came from because they showed up after the powers that be in the former GDR agreed not to compete with Anschutz using so many of Anschutz patents. This one looks about like the first one I ever bought which was around 91 or 92. Usually, they're pretty goo, but go for around $750 in original configuration. More, if they have properly bedded BR stock and tuner or something. Bunch of them in BR configuration w/o tuner (grade 10 whatever that meant) sold for about $1350 about a year or two ago.
 
Thanks for the responces.

I've have been watching GB and the other auction sites; but, the auction sites can get a little silly. An example was a 52E in April that sold for 6025.00with out sights. I have a 52E as good or better with sights and if I could sell it for half of that I'd sell it today.

There's a Suhl in GA if I wanted one bad enough I could have it for 700 with sights. I've not seen it but I trust the guy that has and it's supposed to be very nice. I'm only cosidering this Suhl because the guy that has it does not have the money to buy my 52C with out trading on it. The guy would really like to have the C but I think he's high on the Suhl and I'm not against given him credit on his rifle but I'm only going to go to the true value point and not any more. I guess I'm a little relutant because I know where I can get one for less than what he want's for his. And thanks for the heads up about the twist rate. I have been reading up on these but could not figure out when or why the twist rate changed. As I understand it the 150 does not have a adjustable cheek rest and the 150-1 does. There's not any real info on the change in barrels and twist rates I can find. But I do believe his is a newer one and may not be any good. Thanks again, Donald
 
I don't think you'll find when or why the twist rate changed. I don't think there was really a good set of consistent plans for these things. They just varied and the QC wasn't there as is likely in a communist setting. Suhl is a place not a brand and who knows what the 150 really means. Suhl is or was just the gunmaking hub of Germany and then became the gunmaking hub of the GDR. Branding these things Suhl's as we have is equivalent to branding any U.S. made vehicle a Detroit.
 
that is true enough, but you'll find that they shoot very very well. i gave a $1000 for mine when i got it in the factory stock without a tuner and it had a bsa 36x scope on it. shot great them and still shoots great today in a two piece rest(stock problems in the one piece rest). they are named after the city they were made in.

none the less they are great shooting rifles for a stock rifle. the action is smooth, they have a locking lug and they are single shot and feed very well.
 
One of the SE shooters had a slow twist Suhl that shot lights out so I wouldn't be pre-judging any individual gun.
 
52 trade

The current trade value of a Suhl would be 3 Suhl's for 1 52
dege41
 
mr. nobody said:
that is true enough, but you'll find that they shoot very very well. i gave a $1000 for mine when i got it in the factory stock without a tuner and it had a bsa 36x scope on it. shot great them and still shoots great today in a two piece rest(stock problems in the one piece rest). they are named after the city they were made in.

none the less they are great shooting rifles for a stock rifle. the action is smooth, they have a locking lug and they are single shot and feed very well.
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Don't be so quick to judge what you don't know. One old shot out Suhl with about a 19 twist rate dominated the South for about three years. Probably still would if the shooter did any shooting. Amazingly enough what we found in experimenting with the originals was the slower twist rates did great. Thus enter the Benchmark 17.5 twist. You can't do that a rimfire has 16 twist. Everybody knows that. Yeah, right.
 
most of the people who have not had any luck with thiers dhooting well on other sites have been the 19 twist barrels. i'm not saying they won't shoot, but alot of the ones people complain about are the 19 twist. why i don't know, but so far many have had problems getting them to shoot. could be they aren't using the right ammo. i don't know.
 
There are only about 50 really good rimfire BR shooters in the country. There are lots of mediocer shooters and then there are the new guys that are sure they are good and buy a factory suhl and figure it is not that good a shooter because it does not produce the same scores as the top shooters.
 
If you've ever looked at many Suhls and I've looked at and owned a lot of them, they're a study in quality control. Basically, because I don't think they had any formal quality control or if they did it was just lip service. That's the communist system for you. No incentive.

Anyway, if you've looked at a lot of the, you can almost tell which ones will shoot without ever putting a bullet in them. Quite simply the fit of the other parts is better, meaning somebody at least took enough pride to build the thing half way correct. The most telling attribute that I've ever noticed is the loading ramp. If there's a bug space between it and the barrel, most likely it won't shoot. If it's tight and the fit is good and it appears that the fitof the bolt is good and the numbers match, it's usually a shooter. That is, of course, unless somebody else realized the same thing and shot it until the barrel wore out.

Cheap gun with great results if you watch what you're doing.
 
So back to topic. Would 750 to 800 be a good trade value against my rifle? Is that high or Low, if so why? Donald
 
You have one piece of very important information missing. Condition. Most 52's have some collector value. Like everything else the collector value is based on the grade (condition). Suhls on the other hand have no collector value; they're shooters. My guess is the Suhl would outshoot the 52 but if you have interest in the Suhl it must be as a shooter so you better make sure of that.

If your 52 looks really good, and I mean make a fair assessment of it, then maybe it's not a good trade. You could probably sell the 52 for more. I saw one go for about $1300 at a gun show a few weeks ago. It looked good but not new. I saw one sell for $750 at a match, it did not look new. So, for the most part $750 is close to bottom on the 52C. Last year a bunch of Suhl 150-1's sold for around $700 but they were probably the last. So, $750 is probably the bottom on them to unless they just don't shoot.

Now determine the condition of each and comparable shooting ability and you have your answer. Nobody here can make the trade for you, but plenty of people will.
 
Thanks, I have already listed the 52C and set a price. The value therefore is known. The owner of the Suhl has not disputed the value of my rifle. What I'm trying to do is come to a fair value on his rifle. Whether I was going to trade or buy a Suhl it is only worth so much. I would just as soon sell the 52C for cash and not deal with a trade but I've not been offer cash at this time. My passing interest in a Suhl grows weaker with time and the rising cost. If I had to have a Suhl I would have already bought one. I don't want to sound overly pious but the reason I'm entertaining the thought of a trade is to help out the other person as I feel he may want the 52C more than I want the Suhl. The price point may well be too high and therefore the deal will just not happen. Donald
 
If the price point is too high, the fair value is not known. Your value is known. The fair value is known olny after the deal is done. Settign a price does not set fair value. A really good Suhl to a competitive shooter would be worth quite a bit. You only have to sell the 52 on looks. You have to sell the Suhl on competitive worthiness. I assume the Suhl is as original, which means a competive shooter would have to do at least $400 worth of stock work and then by a tuner. So, say $550 to make it easy. Grade 10 Suhls sold for $1350. Do a little math and a stock Suhl is worth tops $800. And that assumes it shoots cuase it ain't gonna be sold for looks.
 
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