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rstreich
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Excess headspace is also a possibility, but, as Joe noted, he would have had some severely flattened primers on those that fired.
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Excess headspace is also a possibility, but, as Joe noted, he would have had some severely flattened primers on those that fired.
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BJS6
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Not necessarily. I am talking a little more than desirable headspace not excessive as such, just loose new brass. That combined with the light pin, maybe ??
I had a rifle that did that, light pin fall, just part of the old design, hard BR4 primers and new brass, bingo = misfires ! Once the brass was fired it was no problem or with other primers but when the three factors combined the result was misfires.
Regardless, it sure seems like something one would check out before bitching to Remington about faulty primers.
OK it could be faulty primers, $hit happens, but realistically there is a far bigger chance the fault lies elsewhere.
I had a rifle that did that, light pin fall, just part of the old design, hard BR4 primers and new brass, bingo = misfires ! Once the brass was fired it was no problem or with other primers but when the three factors combined the result was misfires.
Regardless, it sure seems like something one would check out before bitching to Remington about faulty primers.
OK it could be faulty primers, $hit happens, but realistically there is a far bigger chance the fault lies elsewhere.
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GS Arizona
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What happened?
We never heard back from the original poster with the primer problem. I'm genuinely interested in knowing if any of the suggestions proffered were successful. If you're still out there, please let us know!
German Salazar
We never heard back from the original poster with the primer problem. I'm genuinely interested in knowing if any of the suggestions proffered were successful. If you're still out there, please let us know!
German Salazar
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JohnVm
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German is right and you should reinstall the old firing pin and even a new spring, you may find that the Rem primer cups are a little harder and need more energy to ignite them. The system you are using is probably borderline and any further deterioration of the spring will make more primers show this.
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Im_leary
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I have not replied in quite a while because, quite frankly, I don't think that some of the people are reading what has been written earlier. Addressing the same issues over and over is a waste of words.
It has been previously established that:
The rifle in question has fired no less than 12,000 rounds, in NRA High Power Match competition, without a single misfire. This rifle was rebarreled to 22-250. This is a new barrel and it was properly installed. As I stated earlier, a gunsmith inspected the rifle. During this inspection the headspace was checked. It is perfect. The bolt will not even begin to close on the no-go gauge.
It has also been established that there have been no failures using a different lot of Remington 9-1/2 primers or Federal 210M and Winchester WLR primers. Let me make that clearer: In 610 rounds fired since the problem with Remington Lot #1502 was encountered, there has not been one single, solitary, misfire problem (and sixteen dead groundhogs) to-date.
In summary, this problem occurred with only one lot of Remington 9-1/2 primers. The problem could not be reproduced with any other primer, regardless of manufacturer or lot number. The rifle was thoroughly checked after the misfire incident by an excellent gunsmith, who incidentally is also a well-known bench-rest rifle builder... every component was found to be in excellent operating condition.
Additional information pointing to a probable component failure of the Remington lot #1502 primers include: All firing pin dents were found to be sufficient "under normal conditions" to provide adequate ignition. The Remington representative was obfuscating and far from forthcoming with the findings of their ballistics laboratory. And finally, they plain and flatly refused to provide me with a copy of their results.
Regarding the premise that the titanium firing pin is at fault… let's not go there. In this application there is sufficient precedence (by virtue of the millions of rounds fired in competition) that there are no fundamental design flaws in the Speed Lock titanium firing pin system. I am completely convinced that if a Speed Lock fire control is properly installed (with the inclusion of the proper spring and adjusted to the recommended travel length) it will be every bit as reliable as the original factory equipment. This is a dead-horse issue... so don't write about, "... my brother's cousin's, wife's hair dresser's husband once installed a Speed Lock firing pin that misfired." The circumstances may not be substantiated. In this case, all of the design criteria, component origin, and past history are known to me. In my personal experience, I earned my Master’s classification (not to mention fired 12,000 some odd rounds) with a titanium firing pin. And, if my meager accomplishments do not provide compelling evidence that titanium is a viable firing pin material, G. David Tubb’s 30-odd championships (all fired with his own Speed Lock titanium firing pins) should.
As far as I am concerned, I have given this issue all of the time and concern that it warrants. The facts are: Remington screwed me (and anyone else using Lot #1502), and there is not a damn thing I can do about it... and clearly, they do not care. Just ask your friendly local retailer about the level of customer service he has been receiving from Remington lately. If your retailer has been getting the same treatment mine has… Remington is not overly concerned with his satisfaction either.
It has been previously established that:
The rifle in question has fired no less than 12,000 rounds, in NRA High Power Match competition, without a single misfire. This rifle was rebarreled to 22-250. This is a new barrel and it was properly installed. As I stated earlier, a gunsmith inspected the rifle. During this inspection the headspace was checked. It is perfect. The bolt will not even begin to close on the no-go gauge.
It has also been established that there have been no failures using a different lot of Remington 9-1/2 primers or Federal 210M and Winchester WLR primers. Let me make that clearer: In 610 rounds fired since the problem with Remington Lot #1502 was encountered, there has not been one single, solitary, misfire problem (and sixteen dead groundhogs) to-date.
In summary, this problem occurred with only one lot of Remington 9-1/2 primers. The problem could not be reproduced with any other primer, regardless of manufacturer or lot number. The rifle was thoroughly checked after the misfire incident by an excellent gunsmith, who incidentally is also a well-known bench-rest rifle builder... every component was found to be in excellent operating condition.
Additional information pointing to a probable component failure of the Remington lot #1502 primers include: All firing pin dents were found to be sufficient "under normal conditions" to provide adequate ignition. The Remington representative was obfuscating and far from forthcoming with the findings of their ballistics laboratory. And finally, they plain and flatly refused to provide me with a copy of their results.
Regarding the premise that the titanium firing pin is at fault… let's not go there. In this application there is sufficient precedence (by virtue of the millions of rounds fired in competition) that there are no fundamental design flaws in the Speed Lock titanium firing pin system. I am completely convinced that if a Speed Lock fire control is properly installed (with the inclusion of the proper spring and adjusted to the recommended travel length) it will be every bit as reliable as the original factory equipment. This is a dead-horse issue... so don't write about, "... my brother's cousin's, wife's hair dresser's husband once installed a Speed Lock firing pin that misfired." The circumstances may not be substantiated. In this case, all of the design criteria, component origin, and past history are known to me. In my personal experience, I earned my Master’s classification (not to mention fired 12,000 some odd rounds) with a titanium firing pin. And, if my meager accomplishments do not provide compelling evidence that titanium is a viable firing pin material, G. David Tubb’s 30-odd championships (all fired with his own Speed Lock titanium firing pins) should.
As far as I am concerned, I have given this issue all of the time and concern that it warrants. The facts are: Remington screwed me (and anyone else using Lot #1502), and there is not a damn thing I can do about it... and clearly, they do not care. Just ask your friendly local retailer about the level of customer service he has been receiving from Remington lately. If your retailer has been getting the same treatment mine has… Remington is not overly concerned with his satisfaction either.
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