Difference between .220 Russian and 22 BR?

About .031 inches
Parent case for 220 is 7.62x39 and for the BR is a .308, what is it you are thinking about? Some actions can extract both cases.
 
Marty

I suppose its fair to say that the parent case for the 220 Russian was the 7.62x39 but I prefer to say that it was inspired by the 7.62x39 since it is really its own cartridge whereas the 22 BR is a wildcat. By the late 1950s the Soviets had necked down the 7.62x39mm to 5.6mm (actually .221 bullet diameter) and were using it in a steel cased cartridge for running deer competition. With Finland so near, and with the 7.62x39mm being the official Finnish military cartridge, it was no surprise that the 5.6x39mm cartridge was also manufactured and used in that country. Both Sako and Lapua began production of the 5.6x39mm brass cartridges around 1965 and when imported to the United States they were headstamped SAKO 220 RUSSIAN and LAPUA 5.6×39 (later changed to LAPUA 220 RUSSIAN).

The 22 BR was not originally made from the 308 but rather from the Remington URBR brass, headstamped 22BR REM.

Ray
 
Well

That is sort of like saying 'whats the difference between a 308 and a 30-06'.

For many applications, not much. But sinced the 22 BR has about 7-8 grns more capacity, (in cases this small, quite a bit), ballistic wise the 220 russian will never match it.

Accuracy wise, a 220 Russian might have an advantage, Registered Matches have been won with it, (and it's "twin" the 22 Beggs), I can't recall ever seening a 22BR in the winners circle anywhere.

Of course, dimension wise, the BR has a 30 degree shoulder, not much body taper, and a .473 case rim. The 220 Russian has a 17 degree shoulder, lots of body taper, and a .440 case rim.

Just curious. All of this is pretty obvious. Why are you asking?......jackie
 
I asked the wrong question

I asked the wrong question. I meant to ask what the difference was between the .22 PPC and the .220 Russian. I still have to read the responses and the answer may already be there.
Thanks!
Joe
 
Some one will do this better than I but I will simplificate it for you.

The parrent case for the 22PPC is the 220 Russian.
The 22PPC case is OFTEN made by firing a 220 Russian case in a 22PPC chamber.
The 22PPC has less taper and a sharper shoulder. Normally most 22PPC have a 30 degree shoulder and a fairly straight body taper, which gives the 22PPC more case capacity and the posibility of higher velocity.
This article will tell more and using the show me don't tell me method of teaching it has a picture.
The 22PPC is a 6PPC with a smaller neck.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/220-russian/
http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/6mmppc/


Ted
 
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The .22 BR case is larger in diameter at the head than the .220 Russian, 0.473" for the .22 BR, and 0.442" for the .220 Russian. As mentioned by others the .22 BR is based on the .308 (standard Mauser) case head, and the .220 Russian is based on the 7.62x39 case head.
 
TedH said:
Some one will do this better than I but I will simplificate it for you.

The parrent case for the 22PPC is the 220 Russian.
The 22PPC case is OFTEN made by firing a 220 Russian case in a 22PPC chamber.
The 22PPC has less taper and a sharper shoulder. Normally most 22PPC have a 30 degree shoulder and a fairly straight body taper, which gives the 22PPC more case capacity and the posibility of higher velocity.
This article will tell more and using the show me don't tell me method of teaching it has a picture.
The 22PPC is a 6PPC with a smaller neck.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/220-russian/
http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/6mmppc/


Ted
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Perfect, that really helps. The side by side pictures were pretty much what I was looking for. Does anyone make a .220 Russian die? What sort of velocities could be obtained with 75-80 grain bullets?
Thanks,
Joe
 
Gene Beggs offers most all anyone needs in a .22 Beggs, Dies, Buttons, Reamer based on a .220 Russian or Stu Harvey offers a .220 Improved with, I believe, 40 degree shoulder. The Russian case is a little small for driving big .22 bullets with a fast twist barrel, the BR would be more suited to that. Once again if you state the purpose of the inquiry, many people would be willing to share the direction they have gone, and you would get some excellent advise and maybe even save some money.

Marty
 
I'm interested in a very accurate cartridge for a groundhog match from 100-500 yards. The 100 and 300 yard relays are the most important, but being able to hit a 4 inch circle at 500 would help seal the deal. The 300 yard target is where the match is won or lost. It would be nice to have a .22 something that is very accurate for the occasional time that it is not windy at 300.
Thanks,
Joe
 
Joe
You should be able to get at least as good of velocity from the 220 russian as you would the .222 Remington and possibly a little better. They have almost Identical case capacity.
Check out this article http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/hl125partial.pdf
and contact Gene Beggs.
The 22PPC may be a better choice for the big bullets. and fast twist.
Ted
 
rain164845 said:
I'm interested in a very accurate cartridge for a groundhog match from 100-500 yards. The 100 and 300 yard relays are the most important, but being able to hit a 4 inch circle at 500 would help seal the deal. The 300 yard target is where the match is won or lost. It would be nice to have a .22 something that is very accurate for the occasional time that it is not windy at 300.
Thanks,
Joe
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Given your requirements, why are you even considering a 22? A 12 twist 6PPC will do everything you want and probably better than any 22 in most situations. A 6BR will do the same only not quite as accurate as a PPC.

Ray
 
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Considering the .22 because it is worst edge scoring, not best edge. If the bullet even scrapes the line, you drop points. Smaller calibers have an advantage.
Joe
 
I've shot an 8 twist 22BR in Groundhog Shoots along with other calibers for some years now. I find the 80g+ bullets are able to keep up out to 300 and superior than any PPC or 30BR in any wind out at 400+. My first 22BR holds the 500yd group record up at Mifflin Groudhog Shoot with a .885” 5 shot group. The barrel I just retired has the score record at Shippensburg's 200, 300, & 500 meter course and won and placed in year end overall aggs down at St Thomas multiple years. All are best edge scoring clubs. Having said that I just switched to 22 & 6BR AIs along with a couple 30 Dashers for the upcoming season.

You may have a problem seeing bullet holes at 400+ with the 22cal. But the 6 doesn't help much more. If the wind isn't blowing it is hard to beat the 30BR even out to 500. A study of my old targets showed I lost better than a point and a half a match with the 22BR as compared to having as accurate 30 cal. But since you're going to shoot worst edge the 22 wouldn't have much of an edge over the 6. If you're only going to have only 1 gun and barrel go with the 8 twist 6BR and 105g or 108g bullets. It ruins a lot of the fun when you have to show up at a match with a PPC or 30BR on a windy day, knowing you don't stand a chance against the fast twist high BC guns.

Good luck and welcome to a fun sport.
 
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