Daisey wheels on flags?????
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Boyd Allen
Active member
Over time, at the Visalia matches, I believe that there has been a marked decrease in the number of daisy wheels.
In my own tests, it seemed that they decreased responsiveness.
My next move, to improve light breeze functionality will be to work out a way to easily adjust stands so that the pins that flags pivot on are truly plumb. Until then, I will continue to use a light ribbon, and look to it more than the vane when conditions are light and switchy. Even with a perfectly balanced flag, more weight equals more inertia.
In my own tests, it seemed that they decreased responsiveness.
My next move, to improve light breeze functionality will be to work out a way to easily adjust stands so that the pins that flags pivot on are truly plumb. Until then, I will continue to use a light ribbon, and look to it more than the vane when conditions are light and switchy. Even with a perfectly balanced flag, more weight equals more inertia.
Hi Boyd.
I have been using Tom Orlando's flags. They work great. Light weight and real responsive. That is the small ones.
For the 150 y. mark, I use his 9 X 12" with propeller. Also a nice responsive flag.
At a summer match. Very little wind. Some of us were watching several types of flags. I understand about a light weight-well balanced flag.....
I have been using Tom Orlando's flags. They work great. Light weight and real responsive. That is the small ones.
For the 150 y. mark, I use his 9 X 12" with propeller. Also a nice responsive flag.
At a summer match. Very little wind. Some of us were watching several types of flags. I understand about a light weight-well balanced flag.....
Stephen Perry
New member
Visalia Conditions
Visalia range is a good test lab for wind contraptions. The more I see the more I go back to my simple vane using surveyor riibbon. I have four of them in my backyard tight now, they been posing for wind conditions since last Wednesday. My vanes are shaped like boxed rectangles slightly longer than high. I use smith victor stands flags sit on delrin posts supported by common 5/16 nails. Slightest wind push is enough and they hold their own nailed down in Phoenix blows.
At Visalia we have calm to black sky switching and everything in between. I hate the calm like the blow, what ever makes the other guys uncomfortable. Rain Shoots not bad either usually Feb-March.
Lots of good BR ranges around the Country where other flag patterns work. Before I push my last cleaning rod I am going to get some Smiley Flags maybe next year.
Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
Visalia range is a good test lab for wind contraptions. The more I see the more I go back to my simple vane using surveyor riibbon. I have four of them in my backyard tight now, they been posing for wind conditions since last Wednesday. My vanes are shaped like boxed rectangles slightly longer than high. I use smith victor stands flags sit on delrin posts supported by common 5/16 nails. Slightest wind push is enough and they hold their own nailed down in Phoenix blows.
At Visalia we have calm to black sky switching and everything in between. I hate the calm like the blow, what ever makes the other guys uncomfortable. Rain Shoots not bad either usually Feb-March.
Lots of good BR ranges around the Country where other flag patterns work. Before I push my last cleaning rod I am going to get some Smiley Flags maybe next year.
Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
Butch Lambert
Active member
If you will look at the Aussie flags, you will see a very efficient propeller. It is on a double set of bearings. It starts instantly on a wind pickup and it is like it has brakes on a letup.
Boyd, If you look closely, there is an adjustable camera ball swivel that holds the pivot pin for the flag. Make an adaptor to slip a bullet level over the pin and then level the pin. Sit your flag back on top and it is perpendicular to the earth. The ball swivels are cheap from B&H camera. They were $9.95ea. last spring. Your flags work much better squared up.
Butch
Boyd, If you look closely, there is an adjustable camera ball swivel that holds the pivot pin for the flag. Make an adaptor to slip a bullet level over the pin and then level the pin. Sit your flag back on top and it is perpendicular to the earth. The ball swivels are cheap from B&H camera. They were $9.95ea. last spring. Your flags work much better squared up.
Butch
jackie schmidt
New member
Daisys
I am used to shooting with Daisys that are very sensitive. I use 1/4 inch ball bearings on mine. The bearings are mounted in aluminum hubs that I glue into the back of the Daisy. A lot of work, but they serve me well.
At the Nationals this year, the Rotation I was on had a Smiley flag with daisys that, for our purposes, were useless. most of them hardly ever turned.
I use my daisys in the very light conditions. They will usually turn when others are showing nothing. as soon as the tails start reacting, I watch the tails.
I only have about 10 spare wheels, (10" Artline), left. The type I use are not made anymore. I take care of the ones I have, not letting them get blown over or shot up. A while back, I bought some really thin metal 10" fan blades from Graingers, mounted the same 1/4 inch bearing, and tried oned. Just too much mass. The break away inertia was just too much.
In my opinion, if the daisys are not the most sensitive part of the flag, then you might as well take them off. At places like Seymore, where the wind always blows, I will often not put them on.
For getting flags plumb with the world, I have always used cheap camera tripod stands. I can adjust each leg individually with a little level. I have never used anything but these. I take all the stuff off the top, and install a little adapter that has a 1/4 inch shaft on top for a ball bearing to set on.......jackie
I am used to shooting with Daisys that are very sensitive. I use 1/4 inch ball bearings on mine. The bearings are mounted in aluminum hubs that I glue into the back of the Daisy. A lot of work, but they serve me well.
At the Nationals this year, the Rotation I was on had a Smiley flag with daisys that, for our purposes, were useless. most of them hardly ever turned.
I use my daisys in the very light conditions. They will usually turn when others are showing nothing. as soon as the tails start reacting, I watch the tails.
I only have about 10 spare wheels, (10" Artline), left. The type I use are not made anymore. I take care of the ones I have, not letting them get blown over or shot up. A while back, I bought some really thin metal 10" fan blades from Graingers, mounted the same 1/4 inch bearing, and tried oned. Just too much mass. The break away inertia was just too much.
In my opinion, if the daisys are not the most sensitive part of the flag, then you might as well take them off. At places like Seymore, where the wind always blows, I will often not put them on.
For getting flags plumb with the world, I have always used cheap camera tripod stands. I can adjust each leg individually with a little level. I have never used anything but these. I take all the stuff off the top, and install a little adapter that has a 1/4 inch shaft on top for a ball bearing to set on.......jackie
goodgrouper
tryingtobeabettergrouper
daisy, oh daisy
Remember way back to physics class on the day the teacher brought in the bicycle wheel and had a volunteer hold the spinning wheel while sitting in a swivel chair? Yup, them daisies do the same thing. That being said, there are some HOF shooters that use and love daisies. To each his own. But the physics are undeniable and irrefutable. If I was to utilize a "daisy" wheel design, it would be Butch Lamberts. His don't influence the vane on quick directional changes because they are so light and responsive.
Remember way back to physics class on the day the teacher brought in the bicycle wheel and had a volunteer hold the spinning wheel while sitting in a swivel chair? Yup, them daisies do the same thing. That being said, there are some HOF shooters that use and love daisies. To each his own. But the physics are undeniable and irrefutable. If I was to utilize a "daisy" wheel design, it would be Butch Lamberts. His don't influence the vane on quick directional changes because they are so light and responsive.