Confused about which scope to buy.

xpdchief said:
Greyfox, thanks for your response. To answer your question, if you take a closer look at the responses I received I'm sure you would agree that your quoted post is not very accurate. 3 out of the 4 posts (75%) that deal directly with my posted question list a 24X has a viable option.

Now I have a question. Why do some people who never previously took the time to offer his/her opinion feel the need to place a snide comment in an otherwise helpful response? Rhetorical question.....I don't expect and answer, I already know it!
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Well, I went back and read your original post and as I understood it, you said you intended to shoot 100-200yd benchrestand maybe later try some longer stuff. Only one poster (Mike in CO) actually "recommended" a 6x24 or some such. Mike doesn't even compete in short range benchrest, but he likes to talk about it a lot. I don't think he even owns a real benchrest rifle, but I could be wrong. Greg Jennings pointed out that 36X is the MINIMUM you will need for short range benchrest. Look Dude, it's your money, spend it wherever and however you like. Greg and I gave you good advice. If & when you actaully shoot in some benchrest matches you will SEE that we told you the truth.

The reason for my "snide comment" is that in my experience people don't ask questions like that because there're looking for information. They are looking for affirmation of what they already want to do. If that's not you, then forget it. The fact remains that 36X is the minimum for short range benchrest and if you spend $600 on a 6x24 you will have made a mistake that you could have avoided had you taken the advice you asked for. Oh, and BTW-if you waste some time searching the forums you will see that I offer a helpful response now and then to a serious request.

Rick
 
Go to this page: http://internationalbenchrest.com/results/index.php . Go to each discipline and then to each shoot report page and look at the equipment list. See who is shooting what. IMHO, throw out those that are on factory rifles. Correlate that with the scores. Make your decision.

If one isn't really interested in shooting benchrest, never mind.
 
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gentlemen,
please READ his original post.
one, look at the rifle he is using.
two...NON COMPTITIVE benchrest shooting........
he is not shooting a 6ppc in a sanctioned match.....

yes he could easily use a used 36x luepold...but he obviously is not interested in a high power fixed scope.
i have a bunch of 308 rifles. i put an 8-32x redfield target on one, and yes my 308 win BENCHREST has a 36x on it..but it is a BENCHREST rifle.
the 8-32x rifle AG'S at .5 and is a stock commercial ar10t. the 36x rifle is a custom br target rifle that AG's under .2 and has a small group of 0.116.
i think i can talk intelligently about shooting 308's...and atleast i can READ what was asked.

mike in co
 
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Greyfox said:
Well, I went back and read your original post and as I understood it, you said you intended to shoot 100-200yd benchrestand maybe later try some longer stuff. Only one poster (Mike in CO) actually "recommended" a 6x24 or some such. Mike doesn't even compete in short range benchrest, but he likes to talk about it a lot. I don't think he even owns a real benchrest rifle, but I could be wrong. Greg Jennings pointed out that 36X is the MINIMUM you will need for short range benchrest. Look Dude, it's your money, spend it wherever and however you like. Greg and I gave you good advice. If & when you actaully shoot in some benchrest matches you will SEE that we told you the truth.

The reason for my "snide comment" is that in my experience people don't ask questions like that because there're looking for information. They are looking for affirmation of what they already want to do. If that's not you, then forget it. The fact remains that 36X is the minimum for short range benchrest and if you spend $600 on a 6x24 you will have made a mistake that you could have avoided had you taken the advice you asked for. Oh, and BTW-if you waste some time searching the forums you will see that I offer a helpful response now and then to a serious request.

Rick
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Again, I don't think your advise was not helpful or well thought out. I think you have a need to insert a negative comment when giving advise (you're 2 for 2). At a minimum you have a problem dealing with people.
I thanked you for your response. I told you that your response was helpful, yet you feel the need to continue adding negative comments to your post.
As with my original post, as well as my response to your first post, you seem to read only what you think you see. I wrote that 3 out of 4 responses listed the 24X as a VIABLE option, not the ONLY option.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my question.
 
I don't mean to be argumentative, just trying to make sure you get the information. Here goes...

Mike in CO had 24X on his list.

Mike Suhie, after giving the T-36 a nod and adding the Sightron 36, said "If you don't think you need that much magnification (if you are serious about small groups you DO need at least that much) then a nice 6-24x variable may be appropriate."

That is the total discussion at that point of anything less than 36X.

OK, so I believe this comes down to the definition of "benchrest" and "informal".

Not getting too far into "benchrest", to most of us here it brings with it a flavor of extreme precision. I.e., either shooting very small groups (think 5 shots around or less than .25" at 100) or shooting very small bulls (think hitting a M&M 25 times in a row at 100 yards and hitting something smaller than a #2 pencil eraser within that 20 or so of the 25.). Here are the IBS versions of the targets http://internationalbenchrest.com/about/whatis/targets.php .

"Informal", to me, means that the level of precision is the same, but the scores aren't recorded for posterity by a sanctioning body.

Below is a picture from an informal group match at 200 yards with a 30 cal.

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SG, thanks for your reply, and I don't feel you or anyone else that posted a comment is trying to be argumentative. You are correct in your analysis, everyone wants to shoot the tightest groups possible. I included the word "informal" to convey the message that I (at least at this point in time) never plan on shooting competitive. I stated this along with my original scope choices so that everyone would understand that I was not looking for an expensive scope "just to have fun".

Thnaks again,
Brian
 
I want to thank all of you, yes all of you, who have helped me decide which scope I was going to purchase for my Savage Model 10.

Today UPS delivered my Weaver T36.

A special thank you to ehkempf, killoughshootingsports.com had the best price I could find.

Thanks again,
Brian
 
xpdchief said:
What I learned was that I may be buying more scope (size and magnification) than I need.

I will be using this rifle for non-competitive benchrest target shooting at distances up to 200 yards, with the possibility (in the distant future) of shooting up to 600 yards.

Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,
Brian
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Brian
First off if you are trying to shoot for utmost accuracy there is no such thing as too good a scope.
Secondly I googled one of the scopes you mentioned and I am going to say what a couple others have already said. Put just a little more money into it and get yourself
a T36 Weaver or a Sightron.
 
Dick Grosbier said:
Brian
First off if you are trying to shoot for utmost accuracy there is no such thing as too good a scope.
Secondly I googled one of the scopes you mentioned and I am going to say what a couple others have already said. Put just a little more money into it and get yourself
a T36 Weaver or a Sightron.
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Thanks Dick, better late than never (LOL).
 
+1 vote for a T-36 Weaver from Kilough. I just took delivery on another one-- $370.00 free freight. Whether it's made in the US or the land of the rising sun--this new fine crosshair scope looks the same works the same as my old ones. On the days when my eyes are especially bad, I screw in my Gen Davis (bullzeyepro) scope booster and HEY PRESTO! I can see those tiny lil holes in the target--which in my case might not be so great since seeing them all in one black blob gets your hopes up--for a while--until you bring in the target, Which is a lil better than seeing the size of the group --or how far off the X it REALLY was--right away.....................apparently the rimfire guys are really buying up these T-36s because no one else I tried--not even Russ Haydon from whom I bought a couple in the past--and still buy from--or Optics Planet--ditto--could come close to the price..............Kilough has to be selling these in quantity to be so far below everyone else--
 
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my point is dan is probably willing to work for a little less in order to keep his business going. i think he is pretty well a one man operation and as long as he remains small he can do great things i have been in business almost 40 years and that is the way i operate.

everything thing i do i use the kiss principal and have been very successful in my tenure of operating a business as well as doing my own selling. start thinking fancy store front and employees and you are a goner.

bob
 
Weaver T-36 & Leupold (24 & 36)

There are plenty of used T-36s out there. I have bought three in the past two years at an average price of $325. Mine are most certainly not for sale anymore. I have one mounted to my Rem 37 Benchrest rimfire, one on my BAT 222 and one in my safe waiting for the right rifle.

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Mounted to my 37 the T-36 helped me shoot like this even though I had been shooting for only one year.
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Mounted to my LH Precision 10/22M the silver T-36 let me see a fly crossing my target at 100 yards with this result:
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I also have a couple of used Leupold Target scopes (36X & 24X) bought for $550 and $400. There is no need to break the bank to get a competition quality scope.
 
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SGJennings said:
You'll be happy with the T-36.

Greg J.
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SG, thanks again for all of your advice. Your last post really got me thinking not only about my immediate needs, but what I might want to do in the future. T think buying once is the right way to go.

Brian
 
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