One of the things Jackie Schmidt said he didn't do was clean for the entire 100 yard agg. Without going back and looking my memory tells me he shot an .093X for the last group. So, what does this tell us, if anything, about his rifle barrel, .30 caliber barrels in general used in BR? I have shot my 30BR extensively with little or no cleaning during an agg and have noticed no drop off in accuracy if I did my part. Are 30's that much different than the PPC when it comes to cleaning that a competitor can shoot a competitive agg(potential record in this case) vs the ppc where the wisdom is to clean after every target? What are your experiences? Has anyone shot a PPC with little or no cleaning to see if it might behave like a 30? --Greg
Cleaning a Match Rifle
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Nothing.
No.
NO.
And Don't know.
We shoot Score in the "Great White North" in the Winter. WWCCA near Detroit. Michigan. The one State with the mitten design. Yea. Up north.
A little bit south of Maine. Latitude wise.
In the Summer. It's NBRSA Group shooting. WWCCA and Holton.
Most people shoot 6PPC. Not many folks shoot 30BR. In competition. There are some "varmint shooters/hunters". But, they don't compete NBRSA.
But, there are some folks. That shoot a wildcat of sorts.
One of those is the 30 Gorilla.
Larry Feusse won the MI State Score Shoot with this.
But, that does not answer your question.
In the winter. I do not clean till I get home and the rifle is at room Temp. Most people do this.
Last weekend. At Holton. Some of us were having a trying time. Very Frustrating shooting group, when you can't see bullet holes.
We stopped cleaning or went to cleaning every other match. One person went to the line with 6 rounds. No cleaning.
Last match he went to the line. No cleaning and 5 rounds.
I shot a fouler to get the barrel warm. Then chased my first shot.
There is an HOF shooter. That cleans every other match. Sometimes chases the first round on record.
And he does win the 2 Gun.
Maybe that will help.
I am a new guy.
Jackie S. is a very experienced shooter. And did a very nice job with his record shoot.
No.
NO.
And Don't know.
We shoot Score in the "Great White North" in the Winter. WWCCA near Detroit. Michigan. The one State with the mitten design. Yea. Up north.
A little bit south of Maine. Latitude wise.
In the Summer. It's NBRSA Group shooting. WWCCA and Holton.
Most people shoot 6PPC. Not many folks shoot 30BR. In competition. There are some "varmint shooters/hunters". But, they don't compete NBRSA.
But, there are some folks. That shoot a wildcat of sorts.
One of those is the 30 Gorilla.
Larry Feusse won the MI State Score Shoot with this.
But, that does not answer your question.
In the winter. I do not clean till I get home and the rifle is at room Temp. Most people do this.
Last weekend. At Holton. Some of us were having a trying time. Very Frustrating shooting group, when you can't see bullet holes.
We stopped cleaning or went to cleaning every other match. One person went to the line with 6 rounds. No cleaning.
Last match he went to the line. No cleaning and 5 rounds.
I shot a fouler to get the barrel warm. Then chased my first shot.
There is an HOF shooter. That cleans every other match. Sometimes chases the first round on record.
And he does win the 2 Gun.
Maybe that will help.
I am a new guy.
Jackie S. is a very experienced shooter. And did a very nice job with his record shoot.
jackie schmidt
New member
Vern, I do NOT shoot coated bullets. There is a rumor floating around that I do, I have no idea how it got started.
As for cleaning, I have satisfied myself that it simply is not nessessary with a 30BR during a 5 group, (or target) agg. I cleaned my 30 at Midland after the 100, and came back Sunday Morning, won the 200 and did not clean it during that agg.. I really do not have a sound answer as to why this phenomina occurs. Some one smarter than I will have to work on that.
Or, maybe the reality is, we are cleaning our 6mm's too much. I clean my 6PPC's after every match, because that is the way every body does it, sort of the " I am scared not to" syndrome. We come back from the line, clean the Rifle,load, go back, and never think to do it any other way.
I guess the only way we will ever get to the bottom of this is for some of us who have some good 6PPC barrels to start shooting aggs without cleaning, and see what happens. The only problem is, we do not want to risk ruining a good barrel by doing something so drastic.
That is what it took in the 30 caliber game. Shooters noticed that not cleaning did not affect things, so others, myself being one, simply followed suite. ..........jackie
As for cleaning, I have satisfied myself that it simply is not nessessary with a 30BR during a 5 group, (or target) agg. I cleaned my 30 at Midland after the 100, and came back Sunday Morning, won the 200 and did not clean it during that agg.. I really do not have a sound answer as to why this phenomina occurs. Some one smarter than I will have to work on that.
Or, maybe the reality is, we are cleaning our 6mm's too much. I clean my 6PPC's after every match, because that is the way every body does it, sort of the " I am scared not to" syndrome. We come back from the line, clean the Rifle,load, go back, and never think to do it any other way.
I guess the only way we will ever get to the bottom of this is for some of us who have some good 6PPC barrels to start shooting aggs without cleaning, and see what happens. The only problem is, we do not want to risk ruining a good barrel by doing something so drastic.
That is what it took in the 30 caliber game. Shooters noticed that not cleaning did not affect things, so others, myself being one, simply followed suite. ..........jackie
Jackie it got started because people do not read the fine print.
Here is the offending picture.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...ckie-schmidts-1118-100-yard-agg-for-the-ages/
How do people shoot small holes and miss the sentence below a picture??????
Here is the offending picture.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...ckie-schmidts-1118-100-yard-agg-for-the-ages/
How do people shoot small holes and miss the sentence below a picture??????
John Kielly
Shari's fan club
Jackie Schmidt does not shoot Moly bullets normally (but this time he did) might easily & reasonably be inferred from the way the caption is worded. 
Seems one sure way to find out regards the cleaning frequency for the 6ppc is to take your rifle to an indoor 100yd range, keep shooting the same group with appropriate barrel cool down periods, and then see how many rounds it takes before the group opens up. If an indoor range is not available, pick a calm, trigger pulling day. I'm a Hunter shooter. So In my case with a 30HBR, shooting a 136gr BIB in front of 42.8gr of V135, and a velocity of 3050, this particular barrel went 75 rounds before the group started to open up to a non-compeditive level (over .250). With that evidence I figured, why clean?
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mike in co
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yes if they would go read the 30br oem thread...guess what..there is the pic again....
silly people
mike in co
silly people
mike in co
Um John.Jackie Schmidt does not shoot Moly bullets normally (but this time he did) might easily & reasonably be inferred from the way the caption is worded.
This was the caption under the picture.
"30 BR file photo. Jackie Schmidt does not shoot Moly bullets normally."
Jerry W
Jerry Wick
FWIW - The first day of the posting on 6mmBR,com, the photo didn't have the caption. It was added on the second or third day.
Jerry
pbike
New member
Anyone that has been reading 6br.com since about 2004 or so would recognize that phote from the Randy Robinett, Al Nyhus, Joe Entriken article. It has been on 6BR.com for some time. But not everyone has the .30BR interest yet, Jackies Record just may have turned even more heads than Dean Breeden and Harley Baker did in 2006 at the IBS long Range GROUP!!!! Nationals. A 1st and 2nd place finish at 200 and 300 yards GROUP shooting. Cangrats Jackie and Dean and Harley, I guess more people are seeing that the .30 doesn't just make big holes, it makes little groups too.
Paul
Paul