Changed my mind! Gene Beggs

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Gene Beggs

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Gentlemen, we have hashed and rehashed the subject of tuners to the point where most of you are sick and tired of hearing about it. Mr. Calfee bowed out several days ago stating that he had nothing more to say.

Earlier, I said I would build a Calfee type tuner and prove or disprove whether it would work with centerfire rifles, but I have since reconsidered; it is not my place to do that.

For years, I have experimented with various types of tuners and methods of attaching them to our rifles. Through process of elimination I have developed what I am certain is best suited for 100, 200, and 300 yard IBS & NBRSA group competition.

There would be no point in me going back and retracing where I have already been. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I am no fool. I have experimented with heavy, beyond-the-muzzle type tuners and found them to be impractical for my type of shooting. They may work well in rimfire and 1000 yard shooting, but those are not my areas of expertise. Henceforth, I will discuss only those subjects that specifically pertain to NBRSA/IBS 100, 200, 300 yd group competition.

See you in Phoenix at the Cactus.

Gene Beggs
 
Gene Beggs said:
Gentlemen, we have hashed and rehashed the subject of tuners to the point where most of you are sick and tired of hearing about it. Mr. Calfee bowed out several days ago stating that he had nothing more to say.

Earlier, I said I would build a Calfee type tuner and prove or disprove whether it would work with centerfire rifles, but I have since reconsidered; it is not my place to do that.

For years, I have experimented with various types of tuners and methods of attaching them to our rifles. Through process of elimination I have developed what I am certain is best suited for 100, 200, and 300 yard IBS & NBRSA group competition.

There would be no point in me going back and retracing where I have already been. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I am no fool. I have experimented with heavy, beyond-the-muzzle type tuners and found them to be impractical for my type of shooting. They may work well in rimfire and 1000 yard shooting, but those are not my areas of expertise. Henceforth, I will discuss only those subjects that specifically pertain to NBRSA/IBS 100, 200, 300 yd group competition.

See you in Phoenix at the Cactus.

Gene Beggs
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Gene:

I think your decision is a wise one. This whole Calfee tuner thing is a damned if you do damned if you don't conundrum. How can you build a tuner to "Calfee specs" when he won't tell you what the specs are? If you build it to what you think are the undefined "Calfee" specs and you are wrong, then you are just an idiot for not understanding what he was trying to say. If you build it to your "Calfee" specs and it works, he gets the credit although you really did the work. Screw it. Do what works for you and never look back. See you at the Cactus.

Mike
 
Your still my friend

jackie schmidt said:
Do you realize that you just made some enemies...........jackie
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BTW- Mickey got me chambered up for the 6 Beggs and put the tuner on my ppc. The tuner grouped as good as it did before so I havent tried any adjustments yet. Haven't had time to play with the Beggs yet.
 
jackie schmidt said:
Do you realize that you just made some enemies...........jackie
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No,, I don't think so Jackie, we are civilized men and can agree to disagree. You can't please all the people all the time. Wise men change their mind when they realize they have made a mistake and I made a mistake when I said I would test the Calfee type tuner.

I have no selfish agenda or ill intentions in any of this. My concern is for my fellow shooter. If I can save him the time, expense and trouble of going up a blind alley, I feel I have done him a favor. For each of the naysayers there are probably a thousand others worldwide who are eager to learn and appreciate the time and effort that you and I and others put into this forum. Let's concentrate on these individuals; what do you say?

You have pointed out more than once, that what works in one discipline does not necessarily apply to another. I'll stay out of rimfire and 1000 yard discussions until I can back up what I say on the firing line.

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
Gene Beggs said:
No,, I don't think so Jackie, we are civilized men and can agree to disagree. You can't please all the people all the time. Wise men change their mind when they realize they have made a mistake and I made a mistake when I said I would test the Calfee type tuner.

I have no selfish agenda or ill intentions in any of this. My concern is for my fellow shooter. If I can save him the time, expense and trouble of going up a blind alley, I feel I have done him a favor. For each of the naysayers there are probably a thousand others worldwide who are eager to learn and appreciate the time and effort that you and I and others put into this forum. Let's concentrate on these individuals; what do you say?

You have pointed out more than once, that what works in one discipline does not necessarily apply to another. I'll stay out of rimfire and 1000 yard discussions until I can back up what I say on the firing line.

Later,

Gene Beggs
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Gene
Your first post on this thread was a little disappointing, however your reasoning made perfect sense to me and was probably a good decision in the end.

James
 
Hey Gene,
I still want to try the one you are sending to Butch on my rimfire!!!!!!
Guess I'm just dumb enough to try something different :eek:
Jim
 
He may have.....

jackie schmidt said:
Do you realize that you just made some enemies...........jackie
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but I surely ain't one of them. Bill Calfee can make claims about the abilities of tuners but if Gene built one that didn't work all Calfee had to say was that Gene didn't build it right because if he had it would have worked and, like Mike said, if it worked Calfee would get the glory. It was a no-win situation for Gene.
 
Just been thinking.

Gene Beggs said:
Gentlemen, we have hashed and rehashed the subject of tuners to the point where most of you are sick and tired of hearing about it. Mr. Calfee bowed out several days ago stating that he had nothing more to say. Gene Beggs
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Gene,
How about this for a way to adjust your tuners?

First, you are trying to remove the vertical spread, but your ammo is carefully prepared to give consistent velocity and very little vertical. It makes it difficult to tune out the vertical if there is none.

Load some ammo WITH a vertical built in. Say load 3 rounds with your normal load +1 gr of powder and 3 rounds with your normal load –1 gr of powder. This ammo should give vertical. Then adjust your tuner to minimize the vertical shooting 6 shot groups alternating between the two loads. This seems to me to amplify what you are trying to minimize.

You could first try this with the rifle and no tuner to see the magnitude of the vertical and then later with the tuner to show if the tuner does decrease the vertical when adjusted correctly.

Calfee was doing this same type of procedure to adjust his 22 LR tuners with two different lots of ammo.
 
Gene,

Gene Beggs said:
No,, I don't think so Jackie, we are civilized men and can agree to disagree. You can't please all the people all the time. Wise men change their mind when they realize they have made a mistake and I made a mistake when I said I would test the Calfee type tuner.

I have no selfish agenda or ill intentions in any of this. My concern is for my fellow shooter. If I can save him the time, expense and trouble of going up a blind alley, I feel I have done him a favor. For each of the naysayers there are probably a thousand others worldwide who are eager to learn and appreciate the time and effort that you and I and others put into this forum. Let's concentrate on these individuals; what do you say?

You have pointed out more than once, that what works in one discipline does not necessarily apply to another. I'll stay out of rimfire and 1000 yard discussions until I can back up what I say on the firing line.

Later,

Gene Beggs
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coming from a green horn that knows squat I AM VERY GLAD that you are willing to share your expertise with the people of the forum. I would like to say thank you for sharing this info and to all who share there experiments be it good or bad.

I know neither you Gene, or Bill Calfee. What I have seen is one person willing to share there thoughts openly and the other in riddles keeping all there expertise to themselves. This is the way I see it. It would be a shame to see all this valuable knowledge not shared with others before it goes to the grave forever. I rest my case if you look a few posts down in regards to a approximate required to tune a 10.5 lb LV.


JMO,
Calvin
 
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Jackie and Gene, I don't think anyone has made any enemies, but maybe found out who there friends were.
Gene, I am surprised you hung in there this long.
No enemy here.
 
Gene,

Never say never, who knows, somewhere down the road the Calfee thing may tickle your fancy again, perhaps when things are more defined, or the urge to scratch just cant be resisted. As an experimentor you just never know.

Just make sure that the experiments dont turn into distastfull chores or a job, or just plane not fun, due to high expectations, deadlines, ego, controversy, intensity levels, or pressure. When its no longer fun and enjoyable for whatever reasons, than it is time to back off.

Sometimes the experimentation thing can be taken too far, just like tournament circuit competition, when it turns into work.

You are doing the right thing..............keep it fun and enjoyable.........Don
 
Gene

Are you bringing wind probe parts with you to the Cactus? I could use a few.

-Mike
 
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