Chambering the 6.5x284 on the G4003G with pics

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Rem 700 action, Krieger barrel, PTG reamer

I cut 1.5" off the muzzle In the 3 jaw first thing, clean up sharp edges.

I put a dead center in the tailstock and attach 4 jaw and put the barrel through the spider Breech first, using the dead center to get me in the ball park on the 4 jaw end.

I machined a split aluminum bushing to clamp on in lieu of the shims, and copper wire, I tried those methods and found it sloppy and difficult for me, at least. (see pic)

Lathe was out of gear

I eyeballed the muzzle end the center of the spider and adjusted the spider bolts by hand, until it was in the ball park, all the time, keeping it up on the dead center.

I gently closed the 4 jaws one at a time. The tailstock was slid out of the way.

I dialed in the outside of the barrel with a dial indicator on a mag base, this takes me about 15 minutes to get both ends <.001"

With a parting tool, I removed a 1/2" of the breech to get into fresh metal. I faced it off an cleaned it up with a small chamfer.

I then use a PTG indicator rod an test indicator to get me <.001 as near to the barrel as possible.

I then run my other test indicator with the long stylus up into the throat area. It was very close with no adjustment. I tweeked it, for 30 minutes or so, and removed the indicators.

I tape the rag over the muzzle to catch chips. And set the lathe up with a turning tool. 1.062 dia, with a clean faced shoulder. I use a depth micrometer to determine the length of the turn, adding the thickness of the recoil lug, and leaving .003" clearance.

I grind a 60 deg. tool and adjust it in the lathe (see pic) Thread the tenon at 70 rpms as close to the shoulder as I dare. When I approach the calculated depth of thread, I screw the action on with some XX fine lapping cmpd and clean up the threads.

I then put in a boring tool (see pic) and cut the recess for the bolt face. I measure this from the old barrel.

I screw the action on, with the bolt and check endplay with indicator to make sure I still have .003 lug to barrel, and the bolt face is not touching first.

I clean everything up with solvent/air/rag.

I put the test indicator stylus back in and make sure it had not moved. On this barrel, it required a little tweeking. .0005" or so.

I reamed the chamber, with a finish reamer, at 70 rpms with cutting oil, .050 progression. I set the Micrometer stop on the reamer .010" short and work it, with my go gauge to get the bolt to close slightly firm, but not hard.

When i get close, I screw the barrel/recoil lug on with the go gauge in and use a feeler gauge to determine how much I need to go.

This process takes some feel and practice, but I have never had to recut a barrel in the dozen or so I've done. I just take my time and make small progressions.

I turned the barrel around and indicated the muzzle in on the ptg rod to <.001" and face off the muzzle and cut a small chamfer with a sharp tool at high speed, checking for a burr with a Q-tip. Clean up and polished a bit with steel wool...washed with lectra clean.

I tightened it all up and put it in a stock.

Shoots hole over hole.

Ben
 

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thanks ben!

it's nice to see how others do thiers.

wish a couple more methods would get posted.

thanks
mike
 
Man.. I was hoping to get hammered by the pros and maybe get a few tips in the process...

Ben
 
Another cat skinned..

Ben:

You will find that as long as you acheive the desired goal the method is your preference. Nice work. Since you have a nice lathe and may start chambering with more frequency. I can't tell you how much better it is with a flush system.

Congratulations and Good luck
Rustystud
 
some details on your reamer pusher/holder would be nice.

mike in co
 
Ben,

.........when you remove the reamer after the first .050 cut, did you remove the whole set up as in slide the tailstock way back or just back out to clear the chamber? The first one I did I slid the tailstock way back and removed the complete set up in order to clean the reamer flutes and blasted it off with air over a waste container, oiled it again, reset and made the next cut . When I reinserted the reamer I just went in far enough to feel the "cut" pick up and reset my indicator once again to .050 and proceeded. May not be the correct way but it works. I could not back out the tailstock dial far enough to clear the chamber to clean up without the morse taper coming loose in the tailstock so I just took it all the way out and cleaned.
 
Jan,
I slide the tailstock back, but when I slide it forward until it is against the carriage which I have locked down. That makes the tailstock stop at the same place every time. I don't have to use any feel of the reamer starting to cut.
Butch
 
Thanks Butch,

.....I knew there was a simple way to get back to zero, it just didn't click as I am on the loooong learning curve. Thanks
 
I have been wiping the reamer off with a paint brush and thick rag. The compressed air, I use in the chamber to blow chips down the barrel.

Good info Butch.

Mike, I'll measure and share dimensions when I get home next week.

Ben
 
As a continuous process, I've modified my procedure a little bit on the last few rifles I've rebarrelled. I'd like to make some notes to that respect.

Feel free to comment or give tips, as I think and process can be improved.

1. I do not part off a piece of the breech anymore, instead, I only face .100 off it. With the undercut for the bolt face (rem 700) this takes me down to the area where I want to be anyway.

2. I indicate both ends of the barrel with the PTG rod, and then thread the barrel/fit the action. Afterwards, I use the stylus to check the throat.
 
2. I indicate both ends of the barrel with the PTG rod, and then thread the barrel/fit the action. Afterwards, I use the stylus to check the throat.


someone with more experience jump in here, but i see building in tolerance. check the throat PRIOR to turning and fitting for the recvr. one setup for both the threads and the chamber.
threal test is how do they shoot this way ???

inquiring minds want to hear.

thanks
 
Reamer holder

Hey Ben

Can you tell us about the reamer holder, how it works and how to dial in the reamer in the holder.

Thanks

Stumack65
 
Hey Ben

Can you tell us about the reamer holder, how it works and how to dial in the reamer in the holder.

Thanks

Stumack65

It's a simple device that allows for angular misalignment, and lets the pilot move the reamer.
It is important to indicate the dead center before using this. I use a mag base on the chuck.

The point of the dead center sits in the center hole on the reamer. A set screw keeps the reamer from turning, and the springs/thumbscrews have some play in them.

You just adjust the reamer so it lines up with the bore freely, and operate it just like it was sitting in a jacobs chuck.

It does not account for radial misalignment of the bore, therefore, precise indication of the barrel is still necessary.

Ben
 
I'm just curious, if you were going to dial in the throat with the long stylus indicator anyway, then why not skip the range rod step, and turn your threads after you get the throat dialed in? Then check it again, then chamber?? I just don't see a need to use the rod, and doing it in the way you described, it seems as though your threads may not be perfectly concentric to you chamber.

But if it shoots good, by all means do what you feel comfortable with.
More than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes.

What I do is:

Dial in the throat,
turn and thread the tenon,
cut the counterbore,
then chamber,

And checking runout between steps never hurts..
 
I'm just curious, if you were going to dial in the throat with the long stylus indicator anyway, then why not skip the range rod step, and turn your threads after you get the throat dialed in? Then check it again, then chamber?? I just don't see a need to use the rod, and doing it in the way you described, it seems as though your threads may not be perfectly concentric to you chamber.

But if it shoots good, by all means do what you feel comfortable with.
More than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes.

What I do is:

Dial in the throat,
turn and thread the tenon,
cut the counterbore,
then chamber,

And checking runout between steps never hurts..

Sounds good.

My threads are concentric, to the range rod or ptg rod at least. I'm just postponing the real fine indication with the stylus.

My rationale is that I always get frustrated trying to get the ptg rod, range rod and stylus to agree.

It's like a man with two watches, never knows what time it is.

I like the range rod, because I can check bore straightness very deep into the barrel, although diluted, it still gives me an indication where the stylus and ptg rods, deltronic pins etc, cannot.

If the throat is dialed in, and the muzzle is dialed in, and the range rod deflects 12 inches into the bore......welll you know....

Ben
 
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Thats right, the threads are true to the rod, and not nescessarily true to the throat. Which is what I've always understood to be what you wanted.

But if it shoots hole over hole, then more power to you...
 
Thats right, the threads are true to the rod, and not nescessarily true to the throat. Which is what I've always understood to be what you wanted.

But if it shoots hole over hole, then more power to you...

Yeah, it seems that way....but the point I'm trying to convey...not very well I might add, is that even when I indicate with the stylus, I end up tweeking after I have threaded...so, it's really a wash. Neither way, I can honestly say I know is true to the throat.

The tolerances and differences we are talking about are less than .001" method to method.

The question I posed to the forum last year "does action trueness really matter, and why" started a long thread, where people actually got angry about the question.....I think in their minds they could picture some crooked action with a scope that runs out of adjustment.

Not at all, I mean...within the tolerance of the threads, where you have complete contact action/lug/barrel...

As an engineer, nobody put forth a viable hypothesis to me out of hundreds of responses. I still think the magic is in the barrel, particularly in the throat and crown.

Ben
 
I think the threads can be out of concentricity slightly from the bore without a problem. The shoulder needs to be perpendicular to the bore.
Butch
 
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