Case head expansion

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I was looking at some brass for the 257TED and decided to measure the case head.
On the unfired brass I get .4390
On the 12 times fired brass I get .4399

So how am I looking pressure wise?
Ted
 
More importantly, what does your chamber measure? And what did the brass measure after the 1st firing. Or the 2nd. Or the . . .

Ray
 
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I was looking at some brass for the 257TED and decided to measure the case head.
On the unfired brass I get .4390
On the 12 times fired brass I get .4399

So how am I looking pressure wise?
Ted

you're good.

I find as much as two thou while seasoning in caseheads. Your pockets aren't even feeling looser are they?

I'll guess your chamber is .4420

al
 
Some time ago I ran a rough pressure test on a custom .300 Weatherby chamber that had a short enough throat that you could touch the rifling with a loaded round that would fit in the magazine. We loaded at the range, and did the test with a single case. To see what head expansion was doing we used a 1" mike that would read to .0001" and measured the belt diameter, having first made an indexing mark across the head. The brass was Weatherby, which I believe is made by Norma. The first shot, which was well down in the book, showed movement, after that we did not see any until we were well over the book max. Before we got to that we saw an ejector smear on the case head. After we finished the test, we recorded the temperature and noted what we thought would be a safe maximum for future hunting loads.

If I was going to do this sort of test again, I think that I would use a group of once fired cases, and only use each case one time. For a rimless case, as an earlier post mentioned, a blade mic. would be a good way to read changes in the diameter of the bottom of the extractor groove.

A couple more things.... I don't think that AE cases show primer flattening at a given pressure to the same degree as more conventional case designs, and if you have a good fitting .062 firing pin tip, you will not get much of a crater. On the other hand, initial bolt lift issues can happen with any case design, if pressures are too high. Also, by loading at the range, using the same case for a pressure series, and priming with a hand tool, you will immediately feel any change in primer seating force. If your primers fall in too easily, your load is probably too hot.
 
Thanks for all of those answers and techniques.
I haven't had a chance to measure my reamer yet.
The primer pockets feel normal but a few of the cases take a lot of pressure to lift the bolt the last 25%.
I start to get a little cratering pretty early on with this bolt face but the same load in my older gun needs about 1/2 grain more powder to get any feel of the cratering.
I have never had a blanked out primer so I can't imagine how much powder it would take.
The hottest load I have had is 30.2 grains of H322 with the 88 grain bullet. Normally I use H-BM with this bullet but I thought I would try 322 since the weather is cooler. This bullet will also tolerate H-4895.
Measuring trajectory and extrapolating backwards with the given BC I believe this load is about 3140 fps
I like the method that German uses to measure expansion. It looks like it allows him to keep the measurement consistent.
Ted
 
Case Head Expansion FEA Calculation

Here are some calculations on case head expansion. It is for a 243 Win caliber in a Remington Model 7 action:

http://www.varmintal.com/arelo.htm#CaseHead

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al
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Well I measured the reamer and the best I could come out with was .4430
 
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