BR associations
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Jerry H
Different Drummer
ARA is by far the largest RF bench rest organization by participation and number of clubs.
www.americanrimfire.com
American Rimfire Association
www.americanrimfire.com
Mostly competing with others, tracking/ranking the scores, getting to know people beyond your immediate area that you have something in common with., improving your skills with friendly advice from others. You don't really have to "join" IR5050. Anyone that shows up at one of our matches to shoot is put in the system and tracked going forward. I am in New York and shoot IR5050 at a few clubs in the area. Just a small charge per target at the match- no commitment required- give it a try and see if you like it. We sure do.
Stuart
Stuart
George Atkins
Active member
I would look into ABRA, there is a class for about everyone.
yes but...the association out of texas is owned by a store that sells 22 stuff. the rules are based on SELLING GUNS. lets say you have a great shooting factory rifle...well only for 5 years and then you can no longer shoot it..it the rule, a rule designed to sell rifles, not to promote shooting. i sold my factory rifle that i had shot for many years in club matches because i was required to shoot in the custom class..it was over 5 years old...so again not about shooting but about selling
Friend….you are clueless, and frankly sounds like classic sour grapes. These orgs. Promote shooting above all else.
Factory class shooting is about RFBR at a reasonable cost, within reasonable rules, which evolve over time.
The biggest org. For that is ARA owned by Killoughs/ ELEY Which has exploded and last I heard……they sell stuff.
And FWIW…l I don’t even shoot it, but crying out loud….open your eyes.
George Atkins
Active member
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George Atkins
Active member
I think you are confusing ABRA with ARA.
ABRA Factory
FACTORY CLASS:
Factory rifle barrel with factory markings must be used for its model, and no diameter more than .750, at the end of the barrel and without alteration. However, it may be re-crowned and re-chambered. If barrel has a front sight, it must be retained. Rear sight may be taken off to make room for scope.
Thats it, no brand, price or any other restrictions.
https://www.abra.guru/rules-forms
Hunter
Runnin' Along
Out of curiosity, what logic caused a 5-year old factory-class rifle to no longer be considered factory class? Or was it that shooters who had been shooting for five years had to shoot in the custom class?
well you said it. i did not mention names. no other organization that i know that shoots benchrest has an age of firearm limit in a class. killough SELLS GUNS, killough basically owns the shooting org, and YES THEY have a rule that says factory class rifles cannot be more than five years old. WHY ,it has NOTHIGN TO DO WITH COMPETITION, it is all about SELLING RIFLES PERIOD. shoot my org in factory class, buy a new rifle every five years. nbrsa nor ibs has any rule anywhere near this. this rule is all about money for the org owner, i am a member, but no longer compete in rf
Hunter
Runnin' Along
Strange! I've shot five-plus-year-old factory rifles in club and NBRSA-sanctioned matches with no issue — but, I guess the organization can make whatever rule(s) it wants.
Rimfireshooter
Active member
Sir, I felt compelled to make a post on your comment. There is no rule or reference in ARA Factory that states rifles cannot be more than 5 years old. In fact, they publish a list of older rifles that have been classified as ok for use in the Factory rifle class. See attached for the current list.
I've also attached the Factory Rifle section of the rulebook for your review.
I would disagree with that. Thought it said ARA. My bad well anyhow.
ARA has UL and Factory class. The Factory class only has about three different Rifles that are legal and competitive. IMO
USRA IR50/50 has many classes of Rifles. If you choose you can shoot just one or two classes if you want. Sporter, 10.5lb, 13.5lb, UL , Factory classes. The Factory class allows to the best of my knowledge. If it’s a factory Rifle you can shoot it. You can shoot any or all classes. So I kind of feel IR 50/50 offers more and makes it easier to shoot what you want or like.
To the original poster I think it would be best to read up on the rules and see what is available in your area and go to a match to see what is available to you.
Sorry guy but you have some wrong ideas about ARA Factory class. If a rifle can't be more than 5 years old then why is my CZ 452 American still allowed? I purchased that rifle new almost 15 years ago and it had been in production long before then. I believe the Tikka T1x came out in 2018. Please explain why I can still use my T1x in ARA factory class. The CZ 457 came out the following year. Plenty of those models are still going strong in Factory class.
I agree with @tim sure seems like sour grapes to me
Rimfireshooter
Active member
Not sure why you're being stupid. For ARA, there is no rule about the age of the rifle used in Factory class, as several folks have told you. We can't help you if you are being stubborn...
Read the rules, or just quit complaining please...
Larry and Pat,
Excellent posts! If either of you are not familiar with rsmithsr, he has been a 'RFBR troll' here several times over the years. IIRC, he has also been banned from this board at least once but is a current member now. As you can clearly see by his posts, he has either no knowledge of the rules, or a very skewed vision of how he interprets them. He mostly posts in the CFBR sections, where he can also be very contentious. If he continues here, we should probably just start reporting his posts, as they are combative and not based on any written rules.
Scott
This is not about “A” rifle being over 5 years old, but seems like “HIS” rifle he’s talking about.
One thing about sour grapes, you can use all the common sense and logic, but, here, looks like you’re dealing with a seasoned veteran I’m afraid.