Correct. frey is just shortened from Jeffrey.
But I did grow up in Sylvania, a suburb on the west side of Toledo.
Moved to NC in 1986.
Hunted Squirrel couple times on a woods that bordered the Synvania Country Club. Very large oaks with a small stream that was loaded with wood ducks on one occasion.
Got stuck in a farmers field where potatoes had been dug. Had to get the road commission grader to come back and pull me out. Was about 1/2 mi off the road. Only had to move me 4' and I was out.
Got stuck in a farmers field where potatoes had been dug. Had to get the road commission grader to come back and pull me out. Was about 1/2 mi off the road. Only had to move me 4' and I was out.
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tuna921
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I use the Pasta fagoili effect ...point and shoot .....
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BobD
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I believe this is true for a left-hand twist barrel.
I believe this is true for a right-hand twist barrel.
MIKECAMERON
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His bullets behave exactly the way they are supposed to, left to right wind pushes the bullet right and down a right to left wind pushes the bullet left and up.That is with a right hand twist barrel.
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cwop
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this a topic for that other site!!!
bob
bob
Don't bring it over onto the centerfire board 
cuz yer ALL wrong! (Except the guys who got the left/up and right/down sorted out. Bullets are pushed left/up and right/down when using a rh twist)
The up/down effect is driven by drag caused by the wind trying to tip the bullet over, producing a gyroscopic force called precession which causes the bullet to tip a little and stabilize at an angle called "equilibrium yaw" or the yaw of repose........... which in turn produces a lift force at 90 degrees ahead (up rotation) of the wind force. This runon sentence is severely short-cutted and incomplete, but it's still YAW that produces the imbalance of pressure that drags bullets up or down.
This is the same combination of forces that produces spindrift in still air.
And my explanation disagrees with every other source you'll find on the web!!
LOL
al
cuz yer ALL wrong! (Except the guys who got the left/up and right/down sorted out. Bullets are pushed left/up and right/down when using a rh twist)The up/down effect is driven by drag caused by the wind trying to tip the bullet over, producing a gyroscopic force called precession which causes the bullet to tip a little and stabilize at an angle called "equilibrium yaw" or the yaw of repose........... which in turn produces a lift force at 90 degrees ahead (up rotation) of the wind force. This runon sentence is severely short-cutted and incomplete, but it's still YAW that produces the imbalance of pressure that drags bullets up or down.
This is the same combination of forces that produces spindrift in still air.
And my explanation disagrees with every other source you'll find on the web!!
LOL
al
Really? That's sad, because it's right. It follows McCoy, Vaughn, and while I haven't read it, I would suspect Bian Litz' new book.
Still the best explaination to most of this that I've ever read:
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/index.htm#Top_of_page
http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/index.htm#Top_of_page
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mks
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Don't bring it over onto the centerfire board
The up/down effect is driven by drag caused by the wind trying to tip the bullet over, producing a gyroscopic force called precession which causes the bullet to tip a little and stabilize at an angle called "equilibrium yaw" or the yaw of repose........... which in turn produces a lift force at 90 degrees ahead (up rotation) of the wind force. This runon sentence is severely short-cutted and incomplete, but it's still YAW that produces the imbalance of pressure that drags bullets up or down.
This is the same combination of forces that produces spindrift in still air.
And my explanation disagrees with every other source you'll find on the web!!
LOL
al
Al,
Did you see Jayden Quinlan's explanation of wind deflection in Precision Shooting August 2011? Good for a rant ... or a laugh.
Cheers,
Keith
Al,
Did you see Jayden Quinlan's explanation of wind deflection in Precision Shooting August 2011? Good for a rant ... or a laugh.
Cheers,
Keith
Ohhh JEEEpers don't get me started on this guy!!!! ("I'm gonna' revise current ballistic theory"..... and rewrite the laws of physics....)
OR The Rupprecht_Nennstiel "How bullets fly"goofers......
gives me gas
al
Hey Warren,
all I ask is that you carefully read some real ballistics texts like McCoy or Vaughn. They disagree with "How Bullets Fly. You don't even have to labor through the math (which is only as good as it's application
) just gain an understanding of how a bullet "balances" on the airstream. In short, a bullet MUST maintain it's attitude re the resistance it 'feels' else it will tip over, tumble. It MUST turn it's nose into the wind, it MUST nose over in it's trajectory. A bullet can only react to what it feels. Ruprecht doesn't get this. Nor do most other wannabe ballisticians.A lot of the R-N stuff would apply on the moon but it's not applicable in atmosphere.
Merry Christmas!
al
Al, appreciate your response, and hope you had a great holiday as well.
I'm not a professional or amateur anything, just a guy who tinkers on guns and shoots a bit. That said, I have seen .22 rounds that fly in a helix to the bull, I've seen over- stabilized and under-stabilized rounds on the target, and the wonderfull effect on your view of the target when the guy next to ya is popping off a Barrett 50 cal.
Blurrrrr
Take care sir,
warren
I'm not a professional or amateur anything, just a guy who tinkers on guns and shoots a bit. That said, I have seen .22 rounds that fly in a helix to the bull, I've seen over- stabilized and under-stabilized rounds on the target, and the wonderfull effect on your view of the target when the guy next to ya is popping off a Barrett 50 cal.
Blurrrrr
Take care sir,
warren